Jack Knife Safety ?

Hi;

Just wondering if this would be called an advertising or private label Parker pen. It has a Fire Ins. Co. logo along with "50 years London & Lancashire Fire Ins. Co." It has the Jack Knife Safety pat pending imprint along with the Geo. S Parker info. Lucky Curve nib. 4.5 "

thanks

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Hi;

Just wondering if this would be called an advertising or private label Parker pen. It has a Fire Ins. Co. logo along with "50 years London & Lancashire Fire Ins. Co." It has the Jack Knife Safety pat pending imprint along with the Geo. S Parker info. Lucky Curve nib. 4.5 "

thanks

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Hi,

While collector jargon can be vague-- not that it isn't worthwhile to endeavor to clarify terms-- this appears not to be a private label (or "rebadged") pen. Such pens are viewed as modified manufacturer products that have different brand names on the pen, such as Diamond Medal Vac-Fil (a modified Parker Vacumatic with no Parker markings) or Gold Bond pens made by Wahl for Montgomery Ward.

Your pen appears to be a conventional Parker pen with conventional Parker imprints (per your description) simply with some owner markings. Note that the pen is a very good Parker, as Turban Tops are not common. This pen dates to early 1910's. Be gentle with it. It has value.

So, what to make of the markings...

They are a bit vague as to implication. An award to employee 50 years with the company? A comment celebrating the company's 50 years in existence? Gift for customers and thus advertising item? One can imagine that employers providing good pens in the workplace would have the pens marked even just to keep them from casually "walking away" with customers via pilfering.

What is the "4.5" you reference?

regards

David

Hi,

While collector jargon can be vague-- not that it isn't worthwhile to endeavor to clarify terms-- this appears not to be a private label (or "rebadged") pen. Such pens are viewed as modified manufacturer products that have different brand names on the pen, such as Diamond Medal Vac-Fil (a modified Parker Vacumatic with no Parker markings) or Gold Bond pens made by Wahl for Montgomery Ward.

Your pen appears to be a conventional Parker pen with conventional Parker imprints (per your description) simply with some owner markings. Note that the pen is a very good Parker, as Turban Tops are not common. This pen dates to early 1910's. Be gentle with it. It has value.

So, what to make of the markings...

They are a bit vague as to implication. An award to employee 50 years with the company? A comment celebrating the company's 50 years in existence? Gift for customers and thus advertising item? One can imagine that employers providing good pens in the workplace would have the pens marked even just to keep them from casually "walking away" with customers via pilfering.

What is the "4.5" you reference?

regards

David

Thank you David. I just want to make sure I have as much info as possible when I list these pens.Turban top? I haven't come across that description. It's exhausting trying to get info on these pens
Yes, the imprints are: Geo S Parker Lucky Curve Fountain Pen Janesville Wis. USA Pat Jan 9, 94, Jun 28, 08, Jan 3, 05, Jun 6, 05.
4.5 is the measurement with cap on. I will note private label.

I do have a black pen with Kolber on the clip and The Independent Grocer on the barrel.

Thank you David. I just want to make sure I have as much info as possible when I list these pens.Turban top? I haven't come across that description. It's exhausting trying to get info on these pens
Yes, the imprints are: Geo S Parker Lucky Curve Fountain Pen Janesville Wis. USA Pat Jan 9, 94, Jun 28, 08, Jan 3, 05, Jun 6, 05.
4.5 is the measurement with cap on. I will note private label.

I do have a black pen with Kolber on the clip and The Independent Grocer on the barrel.

Hi again,

I wish to clarify some of my remarks.

Note I did leave things slightly ambiguous above in my description of rebadged pens (private label pens made by big makers for stores). It's not just that the store's label or brand is put on the pen along with the the manufacturer's markings, but rather that such pens are rebadged (privately labelled) for planned sale by the store as its own brand.

So, A pen made by Parker with added "Gold's Gym" barrel imprint, ordered by use for Gold's Gym within the offices, would not be considered a private label or rebadged pen.

A Diamond Medal Vac-Fil made by Parker for Sears to sell as a Sears brand would be a rebadged pen.

regards

david

Hi,

Here is a Turban Top thread at Fountain Pen Board. Should be as good a place as any to start to learn about these charming and desirable Parker pens.

LInk---Turban Top Parker Discussion--LInk

Regards

David

Hi,

Here is a Turban Top thread at Fountain Pen Board. Should be as good a place as any to start to learn about these charming and desirable Parker pens.

LInk---Turban Top Parker Discussion--LInk

Regards

David

Got it, I hope Thanks for the link. Those 3 are beautiful pens.

Hi;

Just wondering if this would be called an advertising or private label Parker pen. It has a Fire Ins. Co. logo along with "50 years London & Lancashire Fire Ins. Co." It has the Jack Knife Safety pat pending imprint along with the Geo. S Parker info. Lucky Curve nib. 4.5 "

thanks

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I've seen a couple of these before. They're award pens celebrating the 50th anniversary of the company. They're the standard Turban Top Jack Knife model 20s that have been engraved after leaving the factory. They're nice pens that are hurt a little in value because of the engraving, but personally I like pens with history.

It sounds like you're interested in selling it. If so, shoot me an email here and maybe we can work something out.

I've seen a couple of these before. They're award pens celebrating the 50th anniversary of the company. They're the standard Turban Top Jack Knife model 20s that have been engraved after leaving the factory. They're nice pens that are hurt a little in value because of the engraving, but personally I like pens with history.

It sounds like you're interested in selling it. If so, shoot me an email here and maybe we can work something out.

Thank you for the information John. Yes, this and about 60 other pens/pencils/nibs I inherited I will be selling. I'm going to list on Ebay as I do not have an idea what to ask in price.

Thank you for the information John. Yes, this and about 60 other pens/pencils/nibs I inherited I will be selling. I'm going to list on Ebay as I do not have an idea what to ask in price.

John will do well by you on the Turban Top, if you are inclined to do directly.

As to the other 59.... I have been known to buy whole collections in one fell swoop, as per this thread.

http://fountainpenbo...-show-2011-pics

Don't hesitate to drop me a note at isaacson@frontiernet.net

In any case, I'm sure you'll do well with Ebay.

Do post some images here. We can discuss interesting finds here at the Board.

regards

David

John Danza will give you a very fair price for the pen which could easily be higher than what you would pull on eBay.

Thank you for the information John. Yes, this and about 60 other pens/pencils/nibs I inherited I will be selling. I'm going to list on Ebay as I do not have an idea what to ask in price.

If you're inclined to let me take a run at it first, I will be fair with you as David and Robert have noted. I'm a collector of Parkers of this era, and I love pens that have engraving such as this because of the history. If you decide to go to the open market, let me know what your ebay ID is so I can look for it.

If you're inclined to let me take a run at it first, I will be fair with you as David and Robert have noted. I'm a collector of Parkers of this era, and I love pens that have engraving such as this because of the history. If you decide to go to the open market, let me know what your ebay ID is so I can look for it.

Thank you John, I surely will.

I've put some pictures in my gallery. Still have to photograph the Waterman's.

John will do well by you on the Turban Top, if you are inclined to do directly.

As to the other 59.... I have been known to buy whole collections in one fell swoop, as per this thread.

http://fountainpenbo...-show-2011-pics

Don't hesitate to drop me a note at isaacson@frontiernet.net

In any case, I'm sure you'll do well with Ebay.

Do post some images here. We can discuss interesting finds here at the Board.

regards

David

Thank you David, I will keep that in mind and look over that link.