Interesting Parker from Triangle Pen Show

I'm back from the Triangle Pen Show, folks, and I picked up an interesting Parker to "Challenge" your knowledge with. Can you guess what the imprint on this pen and pencil set is? It's not as easy as you might think...



Here's a clue:


First one to guess it gets an Attaboy.

I'm back from the Triangle Pen Show, folks, and I picked up an interesting Parker to "Challenge" your knowledge with. Can you guess what the imprint on this pen and pencil set is? It's not as easy as you might think...


First one to guess it gets an Attaboy.

Barrel is opaque and filling system is button?

regards

d

Televisor or Moderne?

It is an opaque barrel and a button filler. It is not a Moderne or Televisor.

Is it an American Challenger with a Canadian nib?

Is it an American Challenger with a Canadian nib?

Not so simple as that.

Given that some Parkers made in Canada carry unusual imprints, and recalling a couple I have owned and/or have seen, I'd go with Victory or Premier.

regards

david

Given that some Parkers made in Canada carry unusual imprints, and recalling a couple I have owned and/or have seen, I'd go with Victory or Premier.

regards

david

Looks like David gets the Attaboy for today. So, Attaboy, David!

Interesting is the 1935 date code. I seemed to remember that these really only popped up with Premiere and Moderne imprints in the very late 30s and very early 40s.

Looks like David gets the Attaboy for today. So, Attaboy, David!

Interesting is the 1935 date code. I seemed to remember that these really only popped up with Premiere and Moderne imprints in the very late 30s and very early 40s.

Thank you thank you. As a Hack Amateur Newbie collector of Parkers, this award gives me the chance to thank my friends and family who have enabled me to reach this special occasion...

Back to the pen though... neat find.

Keep in mind our usage of "Premiere" and "Moderne" for the flat end "Thrift" pens comes from the appearance of those names on Canadian versions of those pens, as the USA made examples are nameless. I've have some very odd Canadian Challengers, and have toothbrush Duofolds carrying "Parker Victory" imprints. I have vague recollection of some of the Challenger-like "Thrift" pens carrying "Premiere" label, but not certain.

We should collate data on mutant Canadian Parkers. Heck if some dabbler at Sheaffers can write Septuagenarian Mutant Canadian Sheaffers for PENnant Magazine, gathering some info on Canadian Parkers should be possible

-d

Your "Mutant Canadian Sheaffers" article was very interesting, David. I wouldn't mind seeing a Parker equivalent. I can bring the set to the DC show if you'd like to photograph it.

Your "Mutant Canadian Sheaffers" article was very interesting, David. I wouldn't mind seeing a Parker equivalent. I can bring the set to the DC show if you'd like to photograph it.

Happy to see it. Strange though it might seem, I was better positioned to do the Sheaffer article than I am to do a Parker article of that depth. I had a bunch of Canadian Sheaffers and have chatted at length about 'em with fellow Sheafferers for years. The Parker tweaks are of lesser degree both in depth and breadth. Or, my awareness of them is of lesser degree. Images less dramatic too. Different imprints. Different timing for blue diamond. Some weirdness to second tier pens (while I don't have many on hand). Would be a different sort of article.

regards

d

Keep in mind our usage of "Premiere" and "Moderne" for the flat end "Thrift" pens comes from the appearance of those names on Canadian versions of those pens, as the USA made examples are nameless. I've have some very odd Canadian Challengers, and have toothbrush Duofolds carrying "Parker Victory" imprints. I have vague recollection of some of the Challenger-like "Thrift" pens carrying "Premiere" label, but not certain.

We should collate data on mutant Canadian Parkers. Heck if some dabbler at Sheaffers can write Septuagenarian Mutant Canadian Sheaffers for PENnant Magazine, gathering some info on Canadian Parkers should be possible

-d

Considering all the variants we've seen, it might be a three part article.

I've an identical full size imprinted Premiere and a slender imprinted Moderne. Makes sense in a Canuck kinda way.

JJ

Considering all the variants we've seen, it might be a three part article.

I've an identical full size imprinted Premiere and a slender imprinted Moderne. Makes sense in a Canuck kinda way.

JJ

I should have mentioned it for those unfamiliar, but the OP's pen when found with standerd USA model imprint is a Parker Deluxe Challenger.

There is some sense to the Canadian pens being Premiere (large) and Moderne (small) for re-labeled (or differently labeled) Deluxe Challenger. Premiere and Moderne were Canadian names for otherwise nameless USA Pens that appeared in 1932. Such pens continued in USA to 1936? Could they have ended a bit earlier in Canada such that by 1935 the name was free for use on Deluxe Challengers that (perhaps) were never sold as Deluxe CHallenger in Canada? Or parallel use for niche markets?

regards

d

I should have mentioned it for those unfamiliar, but the OP's pen when found with standerd USA model imprint is a Parker Deluxe Challenger.

{SNIP}

Could they have ended a bit earlier in Canada such that by 1935 the name was free for use on Deluxe Challengers that (perhaps) were never sold as Deluxe Challenger in Canada?

That's an interesting thought, David. I've never seen a Deluxe Challenger with a Made in Canada imprint. Note that I have not seen a whole lot of Challengers, so it's not saying much that I haven't seen one. I wonder if they were ever sold as such?

Though it would be strange if they had regular Challengers and Royal Challengers but no pen stamped Deluxe Challenger...

Edited by BrianMcQueen, 05 June 2012 - 02:39 PM.