Who Made This Music Nib/Pen?
Started by Greg Minuskin, May 07 2013 04:04 AM
15 replies to this topic
#2
Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:17 AM
If I had to guess I'd say Ole was running the line the day this pen was made. (OK, I'm no help and I know it).
The 585 nib marking makes me think it is of non-US origin.
I do like the box label.
You seem to be finding a few pens in your travels which is good.
Todd
The 585 nib marking makes me think it is of non-US origin.
I do like the box label.
You seem to be finding a few pens in your travels which is good.
Todd
#4
Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:28 AM
Hey Todd!
Great to see you here at the FPB!
Ha ha! I think you may be right; a "mid-night" run when the boss went home to the misses for dinner!
I think the 585 for sure is an indication of non U.S. manufacture. In the watch business, in the vintage watch business, this is one of the most excellent tell tale signs of a watch case manufactured for the European market. Watch cases made for the European market will say 585, 750, and for Platinum 950. Also 333 for 9k (mostly U.K. markets including Australia/New Zealand.) So the trick is to "know" when a Swiss watch is manufactured for the U.S. market, or not. 14k or 18k means USA market, imported movement/cased and timed in the USA while those marked with the purity numbers were then manufactured for overseas markets.
Why is this the case (no pun intended!) Import duties on unfinished goods were drastically different, for a watch movement without a case was taxed at a lower rate then a finished watch with a case, to protect the U.S. market at the time.
Of course this did not prevent people from buying a watch on their oversea's travels and bringing it into the U.S. as a tourist souvenir/gift. So, it is more difficult in the watch world to find here in the U.S. European marked cases just by the numbers, for there are more watches here with American gold cases then European gold cases.
What even makes these European gold/platinum cases more rare is that the recovery of Europe after WWII did not lend itself to people there able to buy a gold watch; therefore, most of these European watches were purchased by tourists visiting.
How's that for adding a bit of details to the markings, in a different field?
Yes, I have found some great goodies in my travels, and I have more coming soon!
Greg Minuskin
greg@gregminuskin.com
www.gregminuskin.com
Great to see you here at the FPB!
Ha ha! I think you may be right; a "mid-night" run when the boss went home to the misses for dinner!
I think the 585 for sure is an indication of non U.S. manufacture. In the watch business, in the vintage watch business, this is one of the most excellent tell tale signs of a watch case manufactured for the European market. Watch cases made for the European market will say 585, 750, and for Platinum 950. Also 333 for 9k (mostly U.K. markets including Australia/New Zealand.) So the trick is to "know" when a Swiss watch is manufactured for the U.S. market, or not. 14k or 18k means USA market, imported movement/cased and timed in the USA while those marked with the purity numbers were then manufactured for overseas markets.
Why is this the case (no pun intended!) Import duties on unfinished goods were drastically different, for a watch movement without a case was taxed at a lower rate then a finished watch with a case, to protect the U.S. market at the time.
Of course this did not prevent people from buying a watch on their oversea's travels and bringing it into the U.S. as a tourist souvenir/gift. So, it is more difficult in the watch world to find here in the U.S. European marked cases just by the numbers, for there are more watches here with American gold cases then European gold cases.
What even makes these European gold/platinum cases more rare is that the recovery of Europe after WWII did not lend itself to people there able to buy a gold watch; therefore, most of these European watches were purchased by tourists visiting.
How's that for adding a bit of details to the markings, in a different field?
Yes, I have found some great goodies in my travels, and I have more coming soon!
Greg Minuskin
greg@gregminuskin.com
www.gregminuskin.com
Edited by Greg Minuskin, 07 May 2013 - 04:30 AM.
#5
Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:30 AM
I've seen that symbol on a nib before. Goat/Gnu/What-have-you. Might have to do some research....
regards
d
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d
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#11
Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:57 AM
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I've seen that symbol on a nib before. Goat/Gnu/What-have-you. Might have to do some research....
regards
d
Dear David,
Goat/stag, who knows. Maybe a family crest of some sort
Thank you for looking into it!
Greg Minuskin
www.gregminuskin.com
greg@gregminuskin.com
Of course it's a bock nib - Bock the German nib manufacturer. His Logo is/was a "Steinbock" means capricorn.
The pen is difficult to identify. Too many unknown pen manufacturers in the German after war time...
Christof
#12
Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:36 PM
To me it looks like a Faber Castell or Senator/Tropen. My exeperience with German pens is that there a number of small makers that essentially made sleek black piston-fillers. Looking at the ink view window, I would say this pen is from the 70s or 80s.
Again I am no expert but this is based on my anecdotal exposure to these types of pens. Tom Westerich at penboard.de might know more.
Again I am no expert but this is based on my anecdotal exposure to these types of pens. Tom Westerich at penboard.de might know more.
#16
Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:20 PM
Note that the logo looks a bit like a goat leaping in the mountains. "Bock" means "buck", which along with male bunnies and male deer can refer to male goats. That would be why bock beers traditionally have a goat on the label somewhere. It's a German thing.
Tim
Tim
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