I'm still hung up on the clips. First, third, and fourth pens have the clip I would expect to see. That's the clip that is shown on the Carmine Striated pens (and the other colors too, for that matter) in the '39 catalog (I peeked, since it can be seen online). The second and sixths pens respectively wear the second and fourth variations of the Balance clip, which isn't what I would typically expect to see on a Striated Carmine pen (especially the earlier clip on pen #2). Soooo....
Peeking is ok. This is an open book test. How did I say it in another thread.... whatever grows the knowledge. Hmmm... perhaps that can be the Board's motto. Just need an artist to make a coat of arms.
Since OS and standard full length Balances are more or less the same length, pen #2 is clearly not "standard size". I still think it is of standard girth though, but short length (wouldja call that "short-standard?).
Good observation. It does rather appear to be a Stubby, the collector name for the Short Standard pens. They are better known in early colors. I believe I've not seen red Stubby catalogued, though no doubt Daniel has more familiarity on that point than do I. But that clip...
In ECG reading and rash interpretation (the skin condition, not suggesting rushed impetuousness), if something does not ring bells the first thing to do is step back and retreat to description. What is the name for that clip. What does that clip usually associate with for catalogued pens?
The clip is out of phase, if you will, with this color by seven or eight years... and the "Sheaffer's" appears to be going the wrong direction (or maybe I just can't quite see it right). If I turn my head just right the lines on the cap band run parallel to the edge (sorta like a Valiant, but with more lines), so I do see now it's not "the same sort of band as the first".
Yes. The clip seems too early for a Carmine. Even if the Stubby size does not seem (or in fact is not, idunno) odd, the clip is the tell. What does a full-ball "early" clip on a later color mean, even before we worry about anything else?
Very good eye on the cap-band now. I was going to let the band pattern slide as the picture is iffy. The lines that show clearly wrap around the pen rather than runn longitudinally. Hmmm. That something we did NOT see on the Ebonized pic.
Still kinda stumped by the last pen... unless the anomaly is the presence of the white dot with a clip that would have been the 'old style' when assembled. I do have a Carmine with this clip, but it's a little short thing with a #3 nib.
The last pen is full sized... long standard. The flat ball clip indeed (reinforcing what has come up in couple other posts) is a correct finding for 3rd and 4th tier Balances during this late era, pens that are slender, either long or short, with gold-filled trim where expected if #3 nib for third tier pen and with white trim and Junior nib on 4th tier pens. But this is a long standard and it is white dot... 1st tier pens.
As an aside- and i must check when I have access to pen again- it might be an anomalous smooth clip, vs just having lost the expected "Sheaffer's" stamp in the resolution and lighting. That aside, what you need to think on is what does it mean to see an "early" (same tale really as the other pen) clip on a late high line full size striped pen with normal cap-band? Also, note the white dot seems small. This to me is a marker for what's up too.
If this remains hopeless, lemme know, and I'll do the reveal.