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#41 david i

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:00 AM

Another point of interest to me has to do with Sheaffer's apparent sub-brand pens. We have adverts or brochures for Vacuum-Fil and WASP labels, but I've never seen any advert or other literature for Sheaffer's Univer-branded pens. We tend to include it as one of the Sheaffer sub-brands, but could Univer have been an actual re-badge, made for a store? Some of them look like leftover Balance stock, just relabeled. Some look quite different from any documented Sheaffer. I've never seen a single ad or reference to that brand. They are way less common than WASP and Vacuum-Fil arguing at least for less widespread distribution. I might never know...

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:10 AM

Oh yeah. I left it out of my tirade a couple posts up one point what DOESN'T matter for a sub-brand or re-badged pen. That thing is price.

While such pens generally were less expensive than similar fully-branded pens, that was not required. Some of Sheaffer's sub-brand WASP pens, for example, cost more at the time than some Sheaffer Balance models.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:16 AM

Hi David,

Interestingly I have a National branded combo, so National did make some pens under their own name.

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Assuming it is the same National (we can explore imprint and style)... which it probably is... then that is new info for me, and in fact makes easier assigning other labels by National to the category of sub-brand. Of course is they were sold by National itself at higher volume than the actual "national"-marked items, there are odd volumes involved compared to Parker, etc.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:18 AM

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The perviously mentioned National combo along side a another less common National brand, Gold Crown in the same plastic as Conklin used. The Gold Crown doesn't carry any barrel imprint, just the name on the clip.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:22 AM

The perviously mentioned National combo along side a another less common National brand, Gold Crown in the same plastic as Conklin used. The Gold Crown doesn't carry any barrel imprint, just the name on the clip.

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Yep. That other clip does scream "National"

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:24 AM


Hi David,

Interestingly I have a National branded combo, so National did make some pens under their own name.

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Assuming it is the same National (we can explore imprint and style)... which it probably is... then that is new info for me, and in fact makes easier assigning other labels by National to the category of sub-brand. Of course is they were sold by National itself at higher volume than the actual "national"-marked items, there are odd volumes involved compared to Parker, etc.

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The reality may be that National as a brand may have held the position of being a " sub brand" to it's other products!! The combo is definitely National, an early one I suspect being flat top and with a fixed pencil mechanism ( noerasor or lead holder ) as compared to the Gold Crown which has a detachable pencil with eraser and a surprisingly well balanced combo when in use.

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Edited by Hugh, 06 June 2012 - 02:27 AM.

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