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#1 brando090

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 04:45 AM

Beautiful pen, but wont be affording this fine specimen. This is the second time ive seen two vintage Parker Duofolds in Aluminum, but did Parker make them in aluminum or silver?

http://www.ebay.com/...&#ht_983wt_1163

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 04:50 AM

Beautiful pen, but wont be affording this fine specimen. This is the second time ive seen two vintage Parker Duofolds in Aluminum, but did Parker make them in aluminum or silver?

http://www.ebay.com/...6#ht_983wt_1163


Hi,

It's only at a buck, so you never know... ;)

Let's turn it around a bit. If Parker issued a factory-original all-aluminum Duofold, what might be some of its expected characteristics?

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 05:02 AM


Beautiful pen, but wont be affording this fine specimen. This is the second time ive seen two vintage Parker Duofolds in Aluminum, but did Parker make them in aluminum or silver?

http://www.ebay.com/...6#ht_983wt_1163


Hi,

It's only at a buck, so you never know... ;)

Let's turn it around a bit. If Parker issued a factory-original all-aluminum Duofold, what might be some of its expected characteristics?

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Education Posted Image I think a Parker issued aluminum Duofold should have a proper clip, nib, and barrel marking's. 2/3 are fulfilled, but no barrel markings, which some could say is hard to do on aluminum.

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 05:05 AM

Education Posted Image I think a Parker issued aluminum Duofold should have a proper clip, nib, and barrel marking's. 2/3 are fulfilled, but no barrel markings, which some could say is hard to do on aluminum.



A Parker clip would not be unexpected on a Parker clip pen, noting though that the Parker clip is one of the most swappable parts in pendom, and can be held in place by anything that traps it, so Parker clips can be nonspecific.

I too would expect Parker markings on Duofold era Parker metal pens.

Anything else seem vaguely odd on this pen?

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 05:17 AM


Education Posted Image I think a Parker issued aluminum Duofold should have a proper clip, nib, and barrel marking's. 2/3 are fulfilled, but no barrel markings, which some could say is hard to do on aluminum.



A Parker clip would not be unexpected on a Parker clip pen, noting though that the Parker clip is one of the most swappable parts in pendom, and can be held in place by anything that traps it, so Parker clips can be nonspecific.

I too would expect Parker markings on Duofold era Parker metal pens.

Anything else seem vaguely odd on this pen?

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Well truth be told, the aluminum by it's self looks like some missed German aluminum fountain pens, but that's besides the point. The pattern doesn't looks Parker, and Parker didn't make aluminum pens at all, except maybe some early overlays(?) and i know of the P51 filler made from aluminum. What's your .2 cents David?

For all those "all-ways right" buyers that find me mysterious to deal with, though never truthly emailing me or talking to me in length to understand me, as yall would say "WOW! HE HAS 100% feedback". All id have to say, "That doesn't mean squat" its a determination of the pictures and weather he's selling proper evidence of an item or not.

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 08:04 AM

My Uncle and I were perusing ebay yesterday and we spotted this auction. I thought it was a Parker as well, but he informed me this is most certainly not a Parker product. He showed me a pic of one he had a few years ago. It is the exact same pen with a generic unmarked clip and a generic Warranted 14K nib. He bought it from Germany & felt that was the country of origin.

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 09:00 AM

Certainly not a genuine Parker, it may however contain some Parker parts such as the nib / feed / section and clip. It reminds me of the pens produced in the 40's by the likes of Homelink in the UK.
May even be a custom piece by a skilled artisan....

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 12:25 PM

I'm in the camp of "not from Parker". The things that jump out at me that to make me think that are:

1. No Parker barrel markings. This never would happen in a factory pen unless it was a prototype not intended to leave the factory (ala the Vac prototype I have made on a Jade Duofold barrel).

2. The section is from a flat-top Duofold yet the styling is most certainly streamlined. This is what takes it out of the "prototype" category for me and into the realm of aftermarket manufacture.


Richelle's posting with photos is icing on the cake.

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 03:15 PM

1. Clip washer is a tad too big.
2. Nickel clip, so it would never have been on a Duofold in the first place....

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 04:14 PM

My Uncle and I were perusing ebay yesterday and we spotted this auction. I thought it was a Parker as well, but he informed me this is most certainly not a Parker product. He showed me a pic of one he had a few years ago. It is the exact same pen with a generic unmarked clip and a generic Warranted 14K nib. He bought it from Germany & felt that was the country of origin.

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So this is your dad's pen he brought back from Germany?

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 05:50 PM

No, my Uncle used to be apart of the pen repair and sales community. He bought it from a German ebay seller, repaired it and sold it a few years ago.

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 06:47 PM

I have also owned that pen. Mt friend Tom Hansen brought it back fro Germany when he was on sabbatical and gave it to me. He is a prolific pen collector and a charter member of th Commonwealth Pen Club. It is unquestionably German.
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Posted 31 August 2012 - 07:46 PM

So, this thread has taken some neat turns.

While I'd planned to lead up to notions of identifying proper Parkers and of looking beyond the BS found on ebay ("prototypes". hmmmm), I didn't expect to see examples of the proper pen and stories of encounters with it.

Fun stuff :)

Oh... and yeah... watch out for "ebay bargains"

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 11:46 PM

So, this thread has taken some neat turns.

While I'd planned to lead up to notions of identifying proper Parkers and of looking beyond the BS found on ebay ("prototypes". hmmmm), I didn't expect to see examples of the proper pen and stories of encounters with it.

Fun stuff :)

Oh... and yeah... watch out for "ebay bargains"

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Nicely directed thread. Fun and educational.

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 11:53 PM

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For all those "all-ways right" buyers that find me mysterious to deal with, though never truthly emailing me or talking to me in length to understand me, as yall would say "WOW! HE HAS 100% feedback". All id have to say, "That doesn't mean squat" its a determination of the pictures and weather he's selling proper evidence of an item or not.


Since I am new to this forum, I may have missed something, but "What???"

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:17 AM

Since I am new to this forum, I may have missed something, but "What???"

To be honest, yeah, it would have required reading some stuff that occurred over the last few weeks or so, but rehashing it wouldn't be very positive. It isn't important in the long run. Enjoy all the rest of the good, informational posts.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 04:16 AM


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For all those "all-ways right" buyers that find me mysterious to deal with, though never truthly emailing me or talking to me in length to understand me, as yall would say "WOW! HE HAS 100% feedback". All id have to say, "That doesn't mean squat" its a determination of the pictures and weather he's selling proper evidence of an item or not.


Since I am new to this forum, I may have missed something, but "What???"




As Jon noted, there is a subtext to Brandon's comments of this sort; basically as one who has lots of energy but not yet enough solid pen knowledge he has a habit-- while in the perpetual pursuit of "deals"-- to have challenges coming out ahead as buyer or as seller, thus his lamentations.

This also makes his approach an excellent example (noting one never wants to be an excellent teaching example) about both the dangers of ebay and the dangers of expecting to flip pens amongst seasoned collectors if not cautious ;)

Keep in mind that while I am at least a poseur retailer of old pens, I am not knocking ebay. I've bought at least a couple thousands ice old pens there. I merely advocate... caution.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 04:49 AM



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For all those "all-ways right" buyers that find me mysterious to deal with, though never truthly emailing me or talking to me in length to understand me, as yall would say "WOW! HE HAS 100% feedback". All id have to say, "That doesn't mean squat" its a determination of the pictures and weather he's selling proper evidence of an item or not.


Since I am new to this forum, I may have missed something, but "What???"




As Jon noted, there is a subtext to Brandon's comments of this sort; basically as one who has lots of energy but not yet enough solid pen knowledge he has a habit-- while in the perpetual pursuit of "deals"-- to have challenges coming out ahead as buyer or as seller, thus his lamentations.

This also makes his approach an excellent example (noting one never wants to be an excellent teaching example) about both the dangers of ebay and the dangers of expecting to flip pens amongst seasoned collectors if not cautious ;)

Keep in mind that while I am at least a poseur retailer of old pens, I am not knocking ebay. I've bought at least a couple thousands ice old pens there. I merely advocate... caution.

regards

david


I do respect your opinion, and many others, as i take this into consideration when dealing from now on out.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 04:51 AM

I do respect your opinion, and many others, as i take this into consideration when dealing from now on out.



In most situations, it never is too late to regroup and to learn.

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#20 brando090

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 04:57 AM


I do respect your opinion, and many others, as i take this into consideration when dealing from now on out.



In most situations, it never is too late to regroup and to learn.

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