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[brando090]

Consider roughly a reduction of 50% The chip cannot be repaired without it being visible. Believe me when a collector is looking to buy this pen they will use a 10p loupe with an led light. The crack will show they will also run their fingernail in the id of the pen barrel (id means inner diameter) the repair will be felt. Your fingernail is very sensitive believe it or not. Of course the pen had a Lucky Curve feed. Standard offering and Parkers early claim to fame. Perhaps you just wanted to see if the feed was broken? Please do heed the sage advice of those before my post that suggest you send it to a pro or just leave it alone and if you trade it perhaps the next owner can make the discoveries. I do too sincerely doubt that any "early Parker collector" will trade a one of a kind for your pen without signifcant funds going thier way. I have had 6 Waterman #20, 5 JG Riders, can't remember how many Lebouefs, several Patricians a Parker Giant but I have never owned a Parker Baby. You were fourtunate to possess one in nice condition. You seem to have no problem posting here. Look before you leap and ye shall learn.
Jerry

Thank you Jerry,

I cant stress to you enough how confusing taking the section was, i mean those threads just went on and on. The pen was perfect, until this (i hope you guys do understand how small this chip is, not crack) small chip. I think i measured and it was 1/16 of an inch. This was another ebay find by me Also i congratulate you on the Waterman's you have owned, that's definitely not common to have 6 #20's at one time.

[david i]

Thank you Jerry,

I cant stress to you enough how confusing taking the section was, i mean those threads just went on and on. The pen was perfect, until this (i hope you guys do understand how small this chip is, not crack) small chip. I think i measured and it was

And the pen never will be perfect again. It survived 100 years by itself just fine. How long did you own it? Food for thought, I believe.

-d

[FarmBoy]

Consider roughly a reduction of 50% The chip cannot be repaired without it being visible. Believe me when a collector is looking to buy this pen they will use a 10p loupe with an led light. The crack will show they will also run their fingernail in the id of the pen barrel (id means inner diameter) the repair will be felt. Your fingernail is very sensitive believe it or not. Of course the pen had a Lucky Curve feed. Standard offering and Parkers early claim to fame. Perhaps you just wanted to see if the feed was broken? Please do heed the sage advice of those before my post that suggest you send it to a pro or just leave it alone and if you trade it perhaps the next owner can make the discoveries. I do too sincerely doubt that any "early Parker collector" will trade a one of a kind for your pen without signifcant funds going thier way. I have had 6 Waterman #20, 5 JG Riders, can't remember how many Lebouefs, several Patricians a Parker Giant but I have never owned a Parker Baby. You were fourtunate to possess one in nice condition. You seem to have no problem posting here. Look before you leap and ye shall learn.
Jerry

Thank you Jerry,

I cant stress to you enough how confusing taking the section was, i mean those threads just went on and on. The pen was perfect, until this (i hope you guys do understand how small this chip is, not crack) small chip. I think i measured and it was 1/16 of an inch. This was another ebay find by me Also i congratulate you on the Waterman's you have owned, that's definitely not common to have 6 #20's at one time.

Not so small that it doesn't show in your photograph, even with the barrel angled away.

I do suspect your seller of exquisite pens will not think this is a good development.

Just in case you think about trying it, the obvious fix will make matters worse and anyone interested in this pen would quickly spot the problem.

[John Danza]

Are the caps Bakelite as well? They look like they could be hard rubber in the pictures.

Hi,

Yep. The caps are the expected hard rubber.

regards

david

Very true, and the rare clear celluloid Parkers for the most part had hard rubber caps and blind caps. However, I've seen one example of the celluloid that also had a celluloid cap, blind cap, and washer clip screw at the top of the cap.

Was it a demo?

It wasn't marked as such.

[david i]

Are the caps Bakelite as well? They look like they could be hard rubber in the pictures.

Hi,

Yep. The caps are the expected hard rubber.

regards

david

Very true, and the rare clear celluloid Parkers for the most part had hard rubber caps and blind caps. However, I've seen one example of the celluloid that also had a celluloid cap, blind cap, and washer clip screw at the top of the cap.

Was it a demo?

It wasn't marked as such.

But then, they wouldn't be...

Keeps things interesting no doubt

-d

[John Danza]

Very true, and the rare clear celluloid Parkers for the most part had hard rubber caps and blind caps. However, I've seen one example of the celluloid that also had a celluloid cap, blind cap, and washer clip screw at the top of the cap.

Of note, the Bakelite-barrel catalogued pens are a class unto themselves, and AFAIK, all have rubber caps. Celluloid clear barrelled LC or Duofold pens are ill defined, so far (AFAIK) uncatalogued, and perhaps falling into Demonstrator category, as per our DEMO Duofold chat. Suspect we ought not to lump this with the Bakelite pens, unless I miss something. Here is the celluloid DF chat.

http://www.fountainp...d-demonstrator/

regards

d

I agree David. I only brought them up because of the issue of HR caps on Bakelite. Returning to the regularly scheduled thread.

[Jerry Adair]

Consider roughly a reduction of 50% The chip cannot be repaired without it being visible. Believe me when a collector is looking to buy this pen they will use a 10p loupe with an led light. The crack will show they will also run their fingernail in the id of the pen barrel (id means inner diameter) the repair will be felt. Your fingernail is very sensitive believe it or not. Of course the pen had a Lucky Curve feed. Standard offering and Parkers early claim to fame. Perhaps you just wanted to see if the feed was broken? Please do heed the sage advice of those before my post that suggest you send it to a pro or just leave it alone and if you trade it perhaps the next owner can make the discoveries. I do too sincerely doubt that any "early Parker collector" will trade a one of a kind for your pen without signifcant funds going thier way. I have had 6 Waterman #20, 5 JG Riders, can't remember how many Lebouefs, several Patricians a Parker Giant but I have never owned a Parker Baby. You were fourtunate to possess one in nice condition. You seem to have no problem posting here. Look before you leap and ye shall learn.
Jerry

Thank you Jerry,

I cant stress to you enough how confusing taking the section was, i mean those threads just went on and on. The pen was perfect, until this (i hope you guys do understand how small this chip is, not crack) small chip. I think i measured and it was 1/16 of an inch. This was another ebay find by me Also i congratulate you on the Waterman's you have owned, that's definitely not common to have 6 #20's at one time.

[Jerry Adair]

I did not own 6 #20 pens at one time that is over a period of more than 20 years. My point was that you did a bad deed to an uncommon pen and the fact that over the years of many pens I have never owned one of those. Why did you feel the need to take apart the pen? You should have left it alone. That said, any collector here that has not made a mistake on an pen by trying to take it apart or correct a problem is probably not being entirely truthful. I for one will certainly admit much to my chagrin that I have made a parts pen out of a really nice pen. Another poster said a "slap in the face" it is not a slap in the face it is inexperience and it will cost you when it is time to move the pen.
Jerry

[John Danza]

I'm not going to pile on Brendan on the chip. Everything noted earlier is valid IMHO. That said, I've owned a couple of these and examined another half a dozen or so. These little chips in the barrel do occur. I agree that they affect the value by about 50%.

The other problem that's not unusual is cap lip cracks on these. You'll notice that the photo I posted has a cap lip crack. I resolved that by swapping caps with the other one I owned, and then selling that pen. But they do show up. Again, another hit on value.

Jerry, since you mentioned not having one of these, I'll bring my collection of early Babies to the next Chicago Pen Club meeting along with the Black Giant from the other thread.

[Jerry Adair]

John
Look forward to seeing them. Perhaps we can convince David to stay in town and join us
Jerry

[david i]

John
Look forward to seeing them. Perhaps we can convince David to stay in town and join us
Jerry

I believe I am in town but must be at hospital at 7pm and must sleep all day. You guys up for a combined meeting in Janesville this time? We have good restaurant. I could bring some... interesting... pens

d

[Jerry Adair]

I am up to it Roger W is close by and I think Lisa and John would be as well. Doc Hatfield is pretty much a straight shot to J'ville
Count me in.
Jerry

[david i]

I am up to it Roger W is close by and I think Lisa and John would be as well. Doc Hatfield is pretty much a straight shot to J'ville
Count me in.
Jerry

Hi Jerry,

I need to be careful. We've had Janesville meetings, but my next week in town starts Monday, so looking at Sunday after that or Oct 20. I'd love to have the Chicago crowd join once in our area, but I don't want to disrupt your meeting by pulling people away. Thought? I can do two weeks later Nov 3 or so. We could do another day next week, but doubt people want to shlep in on a weekday.

Would you really be up for combined meeting in Janesville?

regards

d

[Teej47]

I did not own 6 #20 pens at one time that is over a period of more than 20 years. My point was that you did a bad deed to an uncommon pen and the fact that over the years of many pens I have never owned one of those. Why did you feel the need to take apart the pen? You should have left it alone. That said, any collector here that has not made a mistake on an pen by trying to take it apart or correct a problem is probably not being entirely truthful. I for one will certainly admit much to my chagrin that I have made a parts pen out of a really nice pen. Another poster said a "slap in the face" it is not a slap in the face it is inexperience and it will cost you when it is time to move the pen.
Jerry

Where's that darn "Like" button?

[Jerry Adair]

Nov 3 is out for me my oldest daughters birthday big celebration. Other than that I am open most Sundays. The Chicago Pen Club doesn't seem to draw folks. It is a great group of men and women but attendance is spotty. At the Commonwealth Pen Club we drew from Providence (me) Mass of course, New Hampshire and Maine. Lots of experts including Pier Gustafon, Frank Dubiel, Rob Morrison, John Vale and a host of other folks. We had a lot of action and good participation. I would love to see that around here we have a deep well of epxerts here we just need to draw them out.
Bottom line pretty much any Sunday except for Saturday the 3rd is good for me. I do know John Danza lives here in Illinois I just don't know exactly where he is of cours an asset to our club and it would be great if he could attend. Don Lavin, Ernesto Solero, Dan Zazove we have the people just need to get them off the dime.
Jerry

[david i]

Nov 3 is out for me my oldest daughters birthday big celebration. Other than that I am open most Sundays. The Chicago Pen Club doesn't seem to draw folks. It is a great group of men and women but attendance is spotty. At the Commonwealth Pen Club we drew from Providence (me) Mass of course, New Hampshire and Maine. Lots of experts including Pier Gustafon, Frank Dubiel, Rob Morrison, John Vale and a host of other folks. We had a lot of action and good participation. I would love to see that around here we have a deep well of epxerts here we just need to draw them out.
Bottom line pretty much any Sunday except for Saturday the 3rd is good for me. I do know John Danza lives here in Illinois I just don't know exactly where he is of cours an asset to our club and it would be great if he could attend. Don Lavin, Ernesto Solero, Dan Zazove we have the people just need to get them off the dime.
Jerry

If you and John and Roger (and any others of course) wanted to come out to J-ville Oct 20 for pen club, that would be great. Let's email them. Otherwise, mid Nov.

regards

d

[Jerry Adair]

Great. i'll call Roger he drives the bus on invitations
Jerry

[brando090]

Thank you Jerry,

I cant stress to you enough how confusing taking the section was, i mean those threads just went on and on. The pen was perfect, until this (i hope you guys do understand how small this chip is, not crack) small chip. I think i measured and it was

And the pen never will be perfect again. It survived 100 years by itself just fine. How long did you own it? Food for thought, I believe.

-d

I think it's only been about 2-4 months.

[John Danza]

Nov 3 is out for me my oldest daughters birthday big celebration. Other than that I am open most Sundays. The Chicago Pen Club doesn't seem to draw folks. It is a great group of men and women but attendance is spotty. At the Commonwealth Pen Club we drew from Providence (me) Mass of course, New Hampshire and Maine. Lots of experts including Pier Gustafon, Frank Dubiel, Rob Morrison, John Vale and a host of other folks. We had a lot of action and good participation. I would love to see that around here we have a deep well of epxerts here we just need to draw them out.
Bottom line pretty much any Sunday except for Saturday the 3rd is good for me. I do know John Danza lives here in Illinois I just don't know exactly where he is of cours an asset to our club and it would be great if he could attend. Don Lavin, Ernesto Solero, Dan Zazove we have the people just need to get them off the dime.
Jerry

If you and John and Roger (and any others of course) wanted to come out to J-ville Oct 20 for pen club, that would be great. Let's email them. Otherwise, mid Nov.

regards

d

I can't do the 20th. I have the 21st set aside for the Chicago meeting. It would be fine to move that to Janesville but it sounds like that doesn't work for David, so there would be no point in moving it.

I'm in the western suburbs, about 30 miles west of Chicago. When I did the first Janesville meeting, it took me almost 2 hours to get there. Too much construction.

[david i]

My bad. Whatever that Sunday is. I though 20th. Maybe that's the 21st. The Sunday would be the day in play.

regards

d