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[Greg Minuskin]

I know, I only come here for help!

And help I do need! I picked up on my recent travels this music pen/nib. I have no idea who made it, but it is in new/old stock condition.

Will someone help me?

Thank you!

Greg Minuskin
www.gregminuskin.com
greg@gregminuskin.com

[FarmBoy]

If I had to guess I'd say Ole was running the line the day this pen was made. (OK, I'm no help and I know it).

The 585 nib marking makes me think it is of non-US origin.

I do like the box label.

You seem to be finding a few pens in your travels which is good.

Todd

[Marsilius]

Sure looks like a Bock nib for starters.
Saw an image of a similar one here:
My link

Edited by Marsilius, 07 May 2013 - 04:27 AM.

[Greg Minuskin]

Hey Todd!

Great to see you here at the FPB!

Ha ha! I think you may be right; a "mid-night" run when the boss went home to the misses for dinner!

I think the 585 for sure is an indication of non U.S. manufacture. In the watch business, in the vintage watch business, this is one of the most excellent tell tale signs of a watch case manufactured for the European market. Watch cases made for the European market will say 585, 750, and for Platinum 950. Also 333 for 9k (mostly U.K. markets including Australia/New Zealand.) So the trick is to "know" when a Swiss watch is manufactured for the U.S. market, or not. 14k or 18k means USA market, imported movement/cased and timed in the USA while those marked with the purity numbers were then manufactured for overseas markets.

Why is this the case (no pun intended!) Import duties on unfinished goods were drastically different, for a watch movement without a case was taxed at a lower rate then a finished watch with a case, to protect the U.S. market at the time.

Of course this did not prevent people from buying a watch on their oversea's travels and bringing it into the U.S. as a tourist souvenir/gift. So, it is more difficult in the watch world to find here in the U.S. European marked cases just by the numbers, for there are more watches here with American gold cases then European gold cases.

What even makes these European gold/platinum cases more rare is that the recovery of Europe after WWII did not lend itself to people there able to buy a gold watch; therefore, most of these European watches were purchased by tourists visiting.

How's that for adding a bit of details to the markings, in a different field?

Yes, I have found some great goodies in my travels, and I have more coming soon!

Greg Minuskin
greg@gregminuskin.com
www.gregminuskin.com

Edited by Greg Minuskin, 07 May 2013 - 04:30 AM.

[david i]

I've seen that symbol on a nib before. Goat/Gnu/What-have-you. Might have to do some research....

regards

d

[Marsilius]

Bock nib! For sher!

[Greg Minuskin]

Sure looks like a Bock nib for starters.
Saw an image of a similar one here:
My link

That is the pen, thank you! So a generic Bock nib/pen?

Thank you!


Greg Minuskin
greg@gregminuskin.com
www.gregminuskin.com

[Greg Minuskin]

I've seen that symbol on a nib before. Goat/Gnu/What-have-you. Might have to do some research....

regards

d

Dear David,

Goat/stag, who knows. Maybe a family crest of some sort

Thank you for looking into it!

Greg Minuskin
www.gregminuskin.com
greg@gregminuskin.com

[Greg Minuskin]

Bock nib! For sher!

Bah bah (goat) Bock nib!

Greg Minuskin
greg@gregminuskin.com
www.gregminuskin.com

[Marsilius]

Someone asked about one of these here a while ago . . .

My link

Edited by Marsilius, 07 May 2013 - 04:43 AM.

[Christof Z]

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I've seen that symbol on a nib before. Goat/Gnu/What-have-you. Might have to do some research....

regards

d

Dear David,

Goat/stag, who knows. Maybe a family crest of some sort

Thank you for looking into it!

Greg Minuskin
www.gregminuskin.com
greg@gregminuskin.com

Of course it's a bock nib - Bock the German nib manufacturer. His Logo is/was a "Steinbock" means capricorn.
The pen is difficult to identify. Too many unknown pen manufacturers in the German after war time...
Christof

[jjlax10]

To me it looks like a Faber Castell or Senator/Tropen. My exeperience with German pens is that there a number of small makers that essentially made sleek black piston-fillers. Looking at the ink view window, I would say this pen is from the 70s or 80s.

Again I am no expert but this is based on my anecdotal exposure to these types of pens. Tom Westerich at penboard.de might know more.

[Greg Minuskin]

So nice that I received some great information here on this pen/nib, thank you all. For sure Tom Westerich might know; I have done some nib work for him in the past, so I will give him a holler

Greg Minuskin
greg@gregminuskin.com
www.gregminuskin.com

[Josephine]

No idea Greg but I want i!

[dr.grace]

Years ago, I found one of these in a stash of my grandfather's effects, but it was missing some pieces and could only be used as a dip pen. Now I can see what it was supposed to look like!

[Teej47]

Note that the logo looks a bit like a goat leaping in the mountains. "Bock" means "buck", which along with male bunnies and male deer can refer to male goats. That would be why bock beers traditionally have a goat on the label somewhere. It's a German thing.

Tim