151 replies to this topic

[BrianMcQueen]

Brandon, it is far too late for apologies. I'm not sure that you even understand what the word "apologize" means. You have apologized numerous times and sworn never to do something like this again, yet here you are again, trying to sell pens which you do not own. If you were indeed trying to get George to buy into a collection with you, you should have been upfront with him and told him you had the opportunity to buy a collection and wanted him to help in the purchase. Since you clearly do NOT understood the concepts of logic, reason, humility, honesty, or remorse, I won't waste my time trying to explain things to you.

You say you want to take a step back from the pen community for a while and rethink your actions. I think you should take a step back from the pen community and run the other way, as far as you can, and never return. Your name will always be tainted in the pen community, always. If you took a step back for 20 years, it still wouldn't be enough. The only thing that would be waiting for a dishonest person like you upon your return would be more of the same treatment you have been getting.

Just so you read it again, I will repeat what David said above. You are not an honest person. You are not an honest person. You are NOT an honest person. YOU are the manipulator and the definition of deception.

[Inkysloth]

I was being very inconsiderate, and yet again not knowing the pen community is as small as it is.

The only result of the community being small is that few people will trust you in future, and word of mouth that you're untrustworthy will go round.

The size of the community shouldn't be of issue here at all, the issue is that you've been caught out in a lie. It's the lying that you should have thought about before you did it, not the size of the community you were participating in and trying to defraud.

Also this is not apologizing, this is a huge apology, in which I will be sure to step back from the hobby and rethink my actions.

You need to take a break from ALL trading anywhere until you learn to be honest and trustworthy.

I understand how it would be fraud with me taking the money and running, but I wasn't going to do that. I was simply looking for someone to buy into the collection with me.

Telling someone you have something to sell, and sending them a photo of that thing claiming it as your own, when actually you don't have that thing is fraud. Plain and simple.

Not only is this the second and last time I will ever sell without buying, but its the last time I communicate with people who have manipulated in the past and continue to manipulate me. The people who managed to manipulate me into trying to sell them pens, were people which in fact knew prior to messaging me that there friend had pens which they photographed for me the day before. If that is deceptioin, I don't know what is.

I would like to say again, I really have overstepped the boundaries and apologize.

Yes, I agree there was deception there. However at any point you could have said "these aren't my pens. These are currently owned by someone else, and I'm going to be making an offer for them, and after I have would you like to buy any of them from me" or words to that effect. But you didn't, you acted as though they were already yours to sell.

Do you understand why it's wrong to offer something for sale without knowing you have it to sell?

[aschup]

Protip: If you're going to be a thieving weirdo, you should at least be smart.

[JonSzanto]

[Wahl]

I don´t think it´s a mental health issue, some people just think they smarter than the rest. And they can gain advange from it.

I´m new around here but since I started reading Brando´s posts, I just couldn´t believe the patience David has !

In just about every forum I know, he would have been banned long ago.

[Freddie]

Thank you George and Dan for all the relevant facts
and circumstances in connection with this Grifter.

Immediately report to Attorney General in his state.

Fred

[Hugh]

It's time to close the book on Brandon. Continual , habitual acts that show no sign of ceasing despite being given considerable leeway and advice simply means we waste our time.

Regards
Hugh

[welch]

Bizarre.

[Old Griz]

You are much kinder than I would be.....
As I told my daughter's BF, if you decide you are stupid enough to try anything with my daughter be assured that they will never find all your parts after I am done with you.....
The same could be said to anyone screwing with my pen collection

[Will]

"I was being very inconsiderate, and yet again not knowing the pen community is as small as it is. "

If you still hold that you weren't trying to deceive anyone, why would you care how small the pen community is? You seem to have accidentally admited to decieving people, but the rest of your post, as David said, is just as "dumb frack(I'd rather not curse)" as ever.

[welch]

There are several type of pen-fanciers: accumulators / hoarders, writers, collectors. We slide over the distinctions easily. I like using Parker 51s, but I'm not picky about anything except the writing qualities.

Pen history is interesting...

- why does it seem that Parker "England" made more medium and medium+ nibs than the US?
- Parker opened a Newhaven, UK plant, but why so much less British pen selling and making in the US? \
- Onoto seems to have had a subsidiary in Australia. How did they relate to Onoto HQ in Scotland? Different models?
- How ere various pens made? (Current: the Vac)
- While I have no interest in buying a pen because it is rare, and, in fact, the sample silver-decorated pens, pictured above, don't appeal at all. In fact, I'm figuring how to most of the pens I have but never use. They want to write, and the seem reproachfui.
- I visit FPB because the people know more than I do, even if many are more attracted to collecting. I don't have to read hymns to Noodlers ink and pens, the first suggestion to any new FP user. Etc.

[Marsilius]

There are several type of pen-fanciers: accumulators / hoarders, writers, collectors. We slide over the distinctions easily. I like using Parker 51s, but I'm not picky about anything except the writing qualities.

Pen history is interesting...

- why does it seem that Parker "England" made more medium and medium+ nibs than the US?
- Parker opened a Newhaven, UK plant, but why so much less British pen selling and making in the US? \
- Onoto seems to have had a subsidiary in Australia. How did they relate to Onoto HQ in Scotland? Different models?
- How ere various pens made? (Current: the Vac)
- While I have no interest in buying a pen because it is rare, and, in fact, the sample silver-decorated pens, pictured above, don't appeal at all. In fact, I'm figuring how to most of the pens I have but never use. They want to write, and the seem reproachfui.
- I visit FPB because the people know more than I do, even if many are more attracted to collecting. I don't have to read hymns to Noodlers ink and pens, the first suggestion to any new FP user. Etc.

This feels like you mean tot post it in: Vintage Pens are for display ONLY ?


Plus, I bet each one of your questions will start some conversations.

Edited by Marsilius, 20 May 2013 - 04:46 AM.

[Hugh]

- Onoto seems to have had a subsidiary in Australia. How did they relate to Onoto HQ in Scotland? Different models?

Onoto was made under licence in Australia and the licence holder continued to make Onoto labeled pens until 1965 iirc which was some 10 yrs after Onoto proper ceased production.

Regards
Hugh

[welch]

There are several type of pen-fanciers: accumulators / hoarders, writers, collectors. We slide over the distinctions easily. I like using Parker 51s, but I'm not picky about anything except the writing qualities.

Pen history is interesting...

- why does it seem that Parker "England" made more medium and medium+ nibs than the US?
- Parker opened a Newhaven, UK plant, but why so much less British pen selling and making in the US? \
- Onoto seems to have had a subsidiary in Australia. How did they relate to Onoto HQ in Scotland? Different models?
- How ere various pens made? (Current: the Vac)
- While I have no interest in buying a pen because it is rare, and, in fact, the sample silver-decorated pens, pictured above, don't appeal at all. In fact, I'm figuring how to most of the pens I have but never use. They want to write, and the seem reproachfui.
- I visit FPB because the people know more than I do, even if many are more attracted to collecting. I don't have to read hymns to Noodlers ink and pens, the first suggestion to any new FP user. Etc.

This feels like you mean tot post it in: Vintage Pens are for display ONLY ?

Plus, I bet each one of your questions will start some conversations.

Yes, or I should have started it in the "At it again in FPN" thread, or in a separate thread on moving from FPN to FPB: what would draw a non-collector? I think I dropped it here (was sleepy) partly from reading all the Brandon-topics, beginning from one in which he appeared to want to learn something about Vacumatics. Plus, I've read too many FPN threads that begins "I'm new to fountain pens, so please suggest a water-proof/resistant ink in case I put a week's worth of lecture notes in a bucket of water and besides, "everyone" knows that "most" inks fade to nothing inside two years, and I want my family to be able to read my journal 800 years from now.


...and, yes, I'll probably ask each question separately.

[Marsilius]

Yes, or I should have started it in the "At it again in FPN" thread, or in a separate thread on moving from FPN to FPB: what would draw a non-collector? I think I dropped it here (was sleepy) partly from reading all the Brandon-topics, beginning from one in which he appeared to want to learn something about Vacumatics. Plus, I've read too many FPN threads that begins "I'm new to fountain pens, so please suggest a water-proof/resistant ink in case I put a week's worth of lecture notes in a bucket of water and besides, "everyone" knows that "most" inks fade to nothing inside two years, and I want my family to be able to read my journal 800 years from now.

...and, yes, I'll probably ask each question separately.

Oh, I dread to be one of those people who say "you should have done a search first" or "you should post this somewhere else!" Wherever they go, I am already looking forward to answers, etc.

Also, I had no idea I was the not the only one to put my lecture notes in buckets of water.


And I have NO desire for my family to read my journal. If anything, I will write an entirely dishonest and self-serving autobiography.

[John Danza]

Not only is this the second and last time I will ever sell without buying, but its the last time I communicate with people who have manipulated in the past and continue to manipulate me. The people who managed to manipulate me into trying to sell them pens, were people which in fact knew prior to messaging me that there friend had pens which they photographed for me the day before. If that is deceptioin, I don't know what is.

Brandon,

I've stayed away from bashing you because that was already being taken care of quite well. But it's this particular statement that, to me, is at the heart of your deceitful (criminal?) nature. What you call "manipulation" is, in the law enforcement community, called a "sting". This is to set up a situation where a person with a deceitful mentality can take a situation and make a fraudulent transaction out of it. You were sent a photo with some pens that may or may not be for sale, but you clearly didn't own. You then took that photo and offered them for sale to a third party, representing that you owned them and that you were in possession of them. The other two guys did nothing to make you do that. You did it yourself, because at your core you appear to not be a trustworthy person. Until you come to realize that and truely change your mindset, you're apologies will be hollow because they're based on you having gotten caught, not because you realize that what you did was wrong.

[Jerry Adair]

John
Well stated.
My wife, who like John Veley is an attorney but she is a criminal juvenile specialist and agrees with John that his behavior is potenttially criminally deceptive. Now she prcatices in Illinois and of course there may be differences in the code. The question is: is our friend guilty of violating federal code? If the answer is yes, then he is in for a heap of trouble. My wife also practices in Federal Court and she wryly speaks about the fact that she brings boxes of evidence and the Federal Prosecutors bring skidloads of evidence.
I often wondered why 090 wanted pictures of all silver and valuable pens. I think I know now. He once offered to trade a Sheaffer Valiant or some such for my Parker Combo. I told him certainly just add $1200 to the pen and we could have a deal.
Methinks he will continue this path down the slippery slope until...
Jerry

[spotted and speckled]

I am coming in on what appears to be the end of this conversation, but I just wanted to say...

Some people only apologize because they have been caught, not because they are truly sorry or repentant.

[Rick Krantz]

How did I miss this thread???

was I that busy at work?

I am not sure why he was not banned from FPB after this.

[PatMorgan]

How did I miss this thread???

was I that busy at work?

I am not sure why he was not banned from FPB after this.

Interesting

Isn't it?