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[BrianMcQueen]

I managed to come home with the sister to David's Tray 3, pen 8. Third generation Maxima, crystal clear, possibly unused.

[marcshiman]

4th tray, 4th from the left it's a dual nib Quadretti Colorado, an italian pen (page 229 of the Jacopini book, vol. 1).
You can always find a couple at every italian pen show.
You should try to find a Zerollo or an Itala Cromograf now, so to have a mini collection of Italian double nib pens!

The Colorado double pens are neat creatures. I've photo'd a few over the years, pens done in "Vacumatic" striped plastic, but never owned one before. Collectors back in the early 2000's often claimed Omas made the Colorado, but that proved not to be the case.

regards

david

If you would believe many pen sellers, every single pre-1960 Italian pen ever made not named Aurora, Ancora, or Montegrappa is possibly an Omas sub-brand.

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If you can stand one more question: To the right of the coral Carters is what looks like a Skyline, but there seems to be some other name on the clip, which I can't read. What's the story?

Hey, I posted all this to generate pen discussion

The pen you mention has a smooth clip, stamped/engraved "DORIC" in flowery letters.

regards

david

Forgot to add, the Doric has Indian markings. It is an Indian Skyline knockoff, similar I suppose to the Wilson Parker Vac knockoff. Found it in a tray of Skylines. Sold the other Skylines but kept the "Doric", because I found it interesting.

regards

d

Ah ha. It's tempting to say they were putting the ick in Doric, but sometimes knockoffs are intriguing and well made. I have "Blue-ray" non-Waterman No. 7/Ink Vue wannabe...don't have any idea who made it, but it is quite attractive displayed next to the real things.

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I managed to come home with the sister to David's Tray 3, pen 8. Third generation Maxima, crystal clear, possibly unused.

Any show you can get one of those is a good show!

[marcshiman]

If you can stand one more question: To the right of the coral Carters is what looks like a Skyline, but there seems to be some other name on the clip, which I can't read. What's the story?

Hey, I posted all this to generate pen discussion

The pen you mention has a smooth clip, stamped/engraved "DORIC" in flowery letters.

regards

david

Forgot to add, the Doric has Indian markings. It is an Indian Skyline knockoff, similar I suppose to the Wilson Parker Vac knockoff. Found it in a tray of Skylines. Sold the other Skylines but kept the "Doric", because I found it interesting.

regards

d

Ah ha. It's tempting to say they were putting the ick in Doric, but sometimes knockoffs are intriguing and well made. I have "Blue-ray" non-Waterman No. 7/Ink Vue wannabe...don't have any idea who made it, but it is quite attractive displayed next to the real things.

I wonder if they have a claim on the name - there could be a lot of DVD manufacturers that owe some big money.

I have an Italian Colombos - not a Columbus. Pretty pen though.

[BrianMcQueen]

I really like the Blue Pacemaker you found at DC. What a beautiful pen. I am sad I didn't see it first. Of course, there is also something to be said about that sterling Waterman safety pen you picked up in Raleigh. Whoever sold it to you must have been a really nice guy

[John Danza]

Wow David, nice score. My comments are mostly about a couple of bulb fillers instead of my usual Parker input. However, I do have to give one Parker comment: three different sized Vac Band pens? Really, you don't think that's overkill just a little?



Back to the bulb fillers. The Eversharp bulb fillers in the first tray are in the same plastic as an Ambassador bulb filler that I have, which looks quite a bit like the Televisor plastic that Parker used. You saw this pen in person on Sunday. Here's the photos below. I guess we could hypothesize that Ambassador was a sub-brand of Eversharp. The nib is imprinted "Super Point Pen"









The Wahl Oxford bulb filler in your third tray looks to be in the same plastic as my Congress and Monitor bulb fillers. The configuration of the plastic on the Monitor is the same as your Wahl, while the Congress is completely in the spiral pattern. I guess we could hypothesize that the Monitor and the Congress were sub-brands of Wahl, which I believe we decided in a different thread on this board.

[David Nishimura]

I am not convinced of any connection to Wahl-Eversharp.

As we have repeatedly seen, in this era the same plastics were used by a very wide range of manufacturers. For the most part, shared material is no evidence at all for shared manufacture when it comes to American pens of the 1930s.

There is definitely a connection between Ambassador and Congress. These brands are usually identified with J. Harris of New York, though it is entirely possible that Harris did not do the actual manufacture. And if you look at the examples above, they differ markedly from the Wahl-made Monitor in both design and construction.

best

David

[david i]

Plastics did make the rounds no doubt.

That gray/black spiral seems to ring a bell. Sheaffer...

regards

david

[John Danza]

I am not convinced of any connection to Wahl-Eversharp.

As we have repeatedly seen, in this era the same plastics were used by a very wide range of manufacturers. For the most part, shared material is no evidence at all for shared manufacture when it comes to American pens of the 1930s.

There is definitely a connection between Ambassador and Congress. These brands are usually identified with J. Harris of New York, though it is entirely possible that Harris did not do the actual manufacture. And if you look at the examples above, they differ markedly from the Wahl-made Monitor in both design and construction.

best

David

Yes, you're right about there being no connection between Congress and Wahl. I misspoke there. I guess it was too late in the day!

There's definitely many visual similarities between Congress and Ambassador, so it's interesting to know that they're tied to a single producer.



David I, it's interesting that Sheaffer used the same plastic as in the Congress. You would have thought that the major players would have wanted exclusivity in the patterns of plastic they were using.

[David Nishimura]

I think exclusivity was of prime concern only with flagship models. Economy models, let alone sub-brands, were quite another matter!

best

David

[Hugh]

Here is the 5th image of Davey's Pen Haul:

This one is a bit special. The pens all are Sheaffer Thin Model Touchdown (TM TD) from 1951. Essentially mint, nearly all have special nibs.

The pen at left is a Point-of-Sale item, a working TM TD with Sheaffer's "rule of four" printed on barrel. It is one of the cleanest examples I've seen

The other pens special nibs include, Flex Fine, Flex Stub, Broad Flex, Broad, and so forth.

The flex and semi-flex pens (as per our discussions of 1952-9 Sheaffer Snorkel nibs found in other threads) lack a stamped line separating the white from yellow portions of the nib.

regards

David

Now that's impressive....

Regards
Hugh