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[Gary E]

Hi,

I purchased this Sheaffer Triumph pen recently and wondered if anyone had come across one before, the pen is stamped Sheaffer International and finished in a gold plated coarse barleycorn pattern.







Cheers
Gary

[Hugh]

Hi Gary,
Haven't seen that one before nor the International stamp. The nibs American at least but no country of origin on the rest of the pen? I might be "heading down the wrong path" but every time these Sheaffers lacking a clear country of origin on the barrel South American "springs" to mind. The nib should date the pen 1972 or earlier (I think) . Now for some "pure speculation", left over nibs on a unique South American model(pattern) made post '72(?), the International stamp as something written in Portuguese (or Spanish) would be an anomaly with the US nib. Maybe I just have a South American phobia

Anyway it's a beautiful pen and if you haven't seen one clearly "rare", a great find!! I like that Imperial shape and nib.

Regards
Hugh

[Gary E]

Hi Gary,
Haven't seen that one before nor the International stamp. The nibs American at least but no country of origin on the rest of the pen? I might be "heading down the wrong path" but every time these Sheaffers lacking a clear country of origin on the barrel South American "springs" to mind. The nib should date the pen 1972 or earlier (I think) . Now for some "pure speculation", left over nibs on a unique South American model(pattern) made post '72(?), the International stamp as something written in Portuguese (or Spanish) would be an anomaly with the US nib. Maybe I just have a South American phobia

Anyway it's a beautiful pen and if you haven't seen one clearly "rare", a great find!! I like that Imperial shape and nib.

Regards
Hugh

Hugh,

Your right I beleive the pens I bought should have been shipped to South America, but didn't make it over. I have the same coarse barleycorm pattern on a Slim Imperial TD which was made for South American Market .



Here's a common pattern in the Triumph 506 Chrome CT which is also stamped Sheaffer International.





I also pick up other Sheaffer pens that should have gone to South America, these were stamped Sheaffer USA and were slightly later models than the Triumph/Imperial pens shown above, interesting how Sheaffer stopped marking the later pens International.

Cheers
Gary

[david i]

Hugh,

Your right I beleive the pens I bought should have been shipped to South America, but didn't make it over. I have the same coarse barleycorm pattern on a Slim Imperial TD which was made for South American Market .



SNIP

Cheers
Gary

Gents,

This zone is not my strong suit, but I did post a thread just about a month ago showing the first of the slim Imperials I'd encountered, one pen amongst the 1000+ in a hoard acquired this summer. Hugh (iirc) pointed out its Slim Imperial status. I've seen bunch of Imps, but never a metal TD slimster. Too, it was the first TD Imperial-ish conical nib (Skripsert-like) pen I'd seen, for me raising question if the earliest of the Imps used a Skripsert-ish short- Triumph nib.

Here be that thread

http://fountainpenbo...-tone-sheaffer/

Pertinent to this thread is that the pattern on the pen seems to be the large (coarse) barleycorn pattern under discussion in Gary's thread today.

I have metal Imps at home in tighter barleycorn pattern, in gold tone and in sterling. Perusing the posts above, I'm not sure this adds anything other than another view of the 2nd pen Gary showed. I guess, the imprint might matter (partially seen in the image), but cannot check that until I am home.



regards

David

[Gary E]

Gents,

This zone is not my strong suit, but I did post a thread just about a month ago showing the first of the slim Imperials I'd encountered, one pen amongst the 1000+ in a hoard acquired this summer. Hugh (iirc) pointed out its Slim Imperial status. I've seen bunch of Imps, but never a metal TD slimster. Too, it was the first TD Imperial-ish conical nib (Skripsert-like) pen I'd seen, for me raising question if the earliest of the Imps used a Skripsert-ish short- Triumph nib.

Here be that thread

http://fountainpenbo...-tone-sheaffer/

Pertinent to this thread is that the pattern on the pen seems to be the large (coarse) barleycorn pattern under discussion in Gary's thread today.

I have metal Imps at home in tighter barleycorn pattern, in gold tone and in sterling. Perusing the posts above, I'm not sure this adds anything other than another view of the 2nd pen Gary showed. I guess, the imprint might matter (partially seen in the image), but cannot check that until I am home.



regards

David

David,

I missed your previous post on the slim TD, I now beleive these all metal Imperial TD slim pens could have been made for the South American market only .

I first had this pen listed on my website, ' Imperial III 'T' ', I found reference to this pen in a 1971 Service price list and it kind of made sense 'T' being Thin and the Imperial III and the Slim TD share the same two tone gold and palladium cylindrial(Triumph Style) nib.
Then later I realised the price quoted for a new barrel on the Imperial III 'T' was the same price as a plastic Imperial IV barrel and it should be priced in line with the Imperial Triumph if it was a metal barrel, so it was back to the drawing board.
Although I still don't know what pen the Imperial III 'T' could be?

Here's the Price List gain,


and here's some Imperials,



Cheers
Gary

[Gary E]

The penny's finally dropped, the 'T' could be Target the early Imperial III.

Cheers
Gary

[Hugh]

I'd missed they both had the same pattern. We know the thin model is known in Brazilian production, just a different pattern as well as not being common does point to a non US model. I'm not yet convinced ( not that that holds much weight..) the barrel and cap are US production for the simple reason why produce , in the case of the thin pen, a shape already made elsewhere then ship it there. There is also a striking similarity with the last unusual touchdowns David purchased (here) , imo Brazilian , with the barrel and it too has a push on cap. Davids thin pen has no country of origin on the nib while Garys does, it will be interesting to see what Davids cap says!! I'm starting to think it might be 100% Brazilian.

It does make sense that the III T on the parts list is a different pen, these ones look a lot better than the price indicates.


Talking of which, does anybody have any actual info on South American made Sheaffers? One of the Argentinean members (who had thin pen same shape as the one above) on the FPN mentioned only cartridge pens in Argentina and touchdowns in Brazil, I'm assuming these made under licence . I can't find any reference to Brazilian made Sheaffers on the net...on google anyway.

Regards
Hugh