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#1 Crofton

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 02:49 AM

Thanks to everyone for comments and info about C/Fs.  I've put together a table of everything I know about C/Fs and attached a jpg (not sure how to attach an excel file.....).

 

I will update it as I get more info. And if can find the time I might turn it into an article with photos!

 

Kevin

 

 

 

 

 

Here are the column titles with some explanations.

 

Model - Model Number

 

Barrel Color

 

Barrel Section Color Combo - Barrel Color followed by section color on individual pens that I have or have seen.

 

Nib - 14k, SS = unmarked stainless (or something like it), some SS have either number 42 or 43 stamped on them, and ads list "merido metal" which I assume is the same as what I am calling SS

 

Shoulders - these are the metal inlays on the section, some folks call them inlays, others call them wings. The original patent contains the following:  "...the member 26, can be inserted in the mold and the section molded to to. At if forward end member 26 includes a yoke 27 and extending rearwardly are wings 28 united at the ends by a band 29".  So according to the patent the inlay is called a member.  I thing shoulders or wings are a bit more pc for today than the word "member".

 

Cap - gold or g/f both refer to gold-filled (g/f?, some of the g/f and chrome caps have vertical lines

 

Clip - gold means g/f

        - smooth top means the top of the clip is smooth

        = globe top means the top of the clip has a globe-like imprint

        - some C/C pens have a closed-clip (no opening like the C/Fs) with a "Waterman USA" imprint on the clip

        - some C/C pens have a closed-clip with no imprint and plastic 'jewel' at the top.

        - the variations of these pen in circulation is large and there are few with chalk marks and no ads that I am aware of...

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#2 david i

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 03:21 AM

Hi Kevin,

Great table. I took the liberty to upload it in fashion that will appear full size in this thread.  These are decent and pretty pens.  I'm  a bit surprised how far under the collecting radar they fall.

 

Waterman_CFtableA.jpg

 

 

 

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#3 Crofton

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 01:56 AM

David,

 

thanks for resizing the table - much easier to read!  

 

Kevin



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 07:09 AM

I only have 1 CF and it's silver moire.  It doesn't seem to be on your table.  Am I missing something?



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 11:06 AM

Hi,

 

It's possible of course the table is not complete.  Not my focus, but of course any discussion like this invites growth of knowledge. Just peeking at ebay I see  all gold-tone, all silver tone,  all chrome and solid 18k gold versions of this pen. Perhaps we need to expand the table for metal pens.

 

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 12:03 AM

I focused the initial effort on the American (and maybe Canadian) versions.  These are pens that have advertisements and/or pens with chalk marks.

 

My hypothesis is that the fancy metal ones were all made in France.   Does anyone know if this is true?



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Posted 13 February 2014 - 12:06 AM

Also - if anyone has a list of the fancy metal C/F I will very gladly add them to the table.







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