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#1 fabbale

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 02:05 PM

I'm a fan of Duofold; tihis model it's my first love during my collector live.
In Italy, there are Duofold overlay made very well.

In this case, one made by F.lli Cavaliere (ANGLO AMER); a Firm that work also by Waterman.

For you a Big red RHR; not a good photo ma i think a great pen.

Your opinion???

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 02:29 PM

While I think it's a great looking pen, I'm not sure that it's a Parker Duofold. The shoulder on the section is not correct for a Parker section. Also, the blind cap on this pen has a flare at the end, which Parkers do not have. There were a number of Duofold copies made in Europe in the 1920s and I suspect this pen started as one of those, with the overlay added. Having a Duofold nib would not prove it to be a Parker, as those are easily swapped.

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 04:40 PM

While I think it's a great looking pen, I'm not sure that it's a Parker Duofold. The shoulder on the section is not correct for a Parker section. Also, the blind cap on this pen has a flare at the end, which Parkers do not have. There were a number of Duofold copies made in Europe in the 1920s and I suspect this pen started as one of those, with the overlay added. Having a Duofold nib would not prove it to be a Parker, as those are easily swapped.


Ciao John
Although I doubt.
I called DUOFOLD because there was a nib but I was never sure.
I see your opinion as truth.
Give me an opinion on the next Duofold overlay I will publish; in this case there should be no problems.

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#4 fabbale

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 05:55 PM

Ciao John
Although I doubt.
I called DUOFOLD because there was a nib but I was never sure.
I see your opinion as truth.
Give me an opinion on the next Duofold overlay I will publish; in this case there should be no problems.

Thanks for all

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#5 david i

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 07:40 PM

While I think it's a great looking pen, I'm not sure that it's a Parker Duofold. The shoulder on the section is not correct for a Parker section. Also, the blind cap on this pen has a flare at the end, which Parkers do not have. There were a number of Duofold copies made in Europe in the 1920s and I suspect this pen started as one of those, with the overlay added. Having a Duofold nib would not prove it to be a Parker, as those are easily swapped.




Not sure John. At first peek looks like a slightly shortened DF section. I could be wrong. Agree nib means little.

Either way, this is a stunningly beautiful pen. Evokes the Waterman Continental overlays, at least in my limited experience with them.

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#6 David Nishimura

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 02:00 AM

The second pen looks as if it started out as a Duofold Special.  I concur regarding the non-Parker features of the first pen.

Let me also add, with all respect, a comment about the use of "Continental" as an adjective describing certain Waterman overlays.  Nowadays, there is no reason to continue using this term, as it is both inaccurate and imprecise.  Back in the early days of organized pen collecting in the USA, much less was known about pens from other countries.  The so-called "Continental safeties" were pens that clearly came from Europe, but not from the UK -- hence the name.  

For many years, however, it has been well understood that these pens actually all are Italian, or Italian-overlaid.  They do not come from France, Spain, Germany, or any other "Continental" country.  So it is long overdue that everyone abandon the obsolete nomenclature, and call them simply Italian overlays.






#7 Eric O. Costello

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:23 AM

What amuses me is that you see something that looks an awful lot like maple leaves on a pen with a Canadian nib.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 08:21 AM

Thank you all for your attention and your opinions

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 05:25 PM

What amuses me is that you see something that looks an awful lot like maple leaves on a pen with a Canadian nib.


That jumped out at me as well. Of course they also happen to look exactly like ivy leaves too.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 05:30 PM

Thank you all for your attention and your opinions

FB


Thanks for showing us such a beautiful pen!

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 01:58 AM

SNIP

"Continental" as an adjective describing certain Waterman overlays. Nowadays, there is no reason to continue using this term, as it is both inaccurate and imprecise. Back in the early days of organized pen collecting in the USA, much less was known about pens from other countries. The so-called "Continental safeties" were pens that clearly came from Europe, but not from the UK -- hence the name.

For many years, however, it has been well understood that these pens actually all are Italian, or Italian-overlaid. They do not come from France, Spain, Germany, or any other "Continental" country. So it is long overdue that everyone abandon the obsolete nomenclature, and call them simply Italian overlays.


Verily, thus the limited in, " Evokes the Waterman Continental overlays, at least in my limited experience with them."


I'm good with "Italian".

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 05:26 PM

Verily, thus the limited in, " Evokes the Waterman Continental overlays, at least in my limited experience with them."


I'm good with "Italian".

-d






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