Cigar pic?
regards
-d
Sumgai posted it on another board a few years ago. Very artistic. I think it came from Cigar Aficionado if I remember correctly...
Damned if I can remember...
-d
Posted 03 November 2014 - 08:50 PM
Cigar pic?
regards
-d
Sumgai posted it on another board a few years ago. Very artistic. I think it came from Cigar Aficionado if I remember correctly...
Damned if I can remember...
-d
Posted 03 November 2014 - 09:04 PM
I'm in....
sign me up too....
what a great resource and thank you to who ever made it available.
If needed, the 1937 Chilton Wingflow catalog is on my website, feel free to share it if it is not already included.
I might even have better sized and quality images of the catalog if needed.
Best!
Rick
Posted 03 November 2014 - 09:07 PM
I'm in....
sign me up too....
what a great resource and thank you to who ever made it available.
If needed, the 1937 Chilton Wingflow catalog is on my website, feel free to share it if it is not already included.
I might even have better sized and quality images of the catalog if needed.
Best!
Rick
Hi Rick,
If you can send me a PDF, there is still time to incorporate it.
regards
david
Posted 03 November 2014 - 10:47 PM
let me dig here at work, I might have it local, otherwise, I will make it a priority tonight when I get home
Do you want any advertisements?
or maybe that would be another project in the future?
Glad I could contribute!
Rick
Posted 03 November 2014 - 11:29 PM
listen, it's 117 megs......
if I put it on my website, do you want to go and download the PDF?
I can give you a path
Rick
Posted 03 November 2014 - 11:33 PM
Hi Rick,
Sure, drop me a note by email.
regards
d
Posted 03 November 2014 - 11:42 PM
email sent
with instructions!
best of luck!
Rick
Posted 31 January 2015 - 11:39 PM
I have the files mostly organized and in fact sent a copy already to Syd Saperstein. I'm hoping to have some DVD's printed next ten days.
regards
david
Posted 29 May 2015 - 01:04 AM
I have the files mostly organized and in fact sent a copy already to Syd Saperstein. I'm hoping to have some DVD's printed next ten days.
regards
david
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Cut-n-paste from another topic:
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david i, on 11 May 2015 - 11:55 AM, also said:
108-parker-catalog-ca-1897-12-pages.pdf
109-parker-company-magazine-sidetalks-1897-july-3-pages.pdf
110-parker-company-magazine-sidetalks-1898-jan-may-june-sept-26-pages.pdf
112-parker-company-magazine-sidetalks-1899-feb-june-sept-25-pages.pdf
114-parker-catalog-ca-1900-20-pages.pdf
115-parker-company-magazine-sidetalks-1900-apr-sept-nov-dec-20-pages.pdf
116-parker-company-magazine-sidetalks-1901-jan-apr-sept-nov-32-pages.pdf
117-parker-company-magazine-sidetalks-1902-jan-apr-aug-sept-oct-nov-48-pages.pdf
118-parker-catalog-ca-1903-20-pages.pdf
119-parker-company-magazine-sidetalks-1903-feb-may-sept-nov-36-pages.pdf
120-parker-company-magazine-sidetalks-1904-mar-aug-sept-26-pages.pdf
121-parker-catalog-ca-1905-20-pages.pdf
122-parker-company-magazine-sidetalks-1905-feb-june-sept-oct-38-pages.pdf
123-parker-company-magazine-sidetalks-1906-feb-sept-16-pages.pdf
124-parker-catalog-ca-1907-24-pages.pdf
125-parker-company-magazine-sidetalks-1907-oct-8-pages.pdf
126-parker-company-magazine-sidetalks-1908-feb-dec-15-pages.pdf
127-parker-company-magazine-sidetalks-1909-29-pages.pdf
128-parker-catalog-ca-1910-10-pages.pdf
129-parker-company-magazine-sidetalks-1910-jan-may-27-pages.pdf
130-parker-company-magazine-sidetalks-1911-jan-aug-dec-24-pages.pdf
131-parker-company-magazine-sidetalks-1912-mar-nov-21-pages.pdf
Woah! That should be fun.
David, when DVD's ready you'll post here, or start its own topic?
Did I mention I want one too? ; )
best
--Bruce
Posted 29 May 2015 - 03:13 AM
Sooooon.
-d
Posted 10 July 2015 - 09:07 AM
I was lead to understand via this thread and others on the Facebook groups "Fountain Pens" and "Vintage Fountain Pen Collectors" that these documents were not taken from the PCA Library but were otherwise sourced through "public domain sources". In looking at the Parker section of the files in this product on Dropbox, I've found five document that are in whole or in part scans I made of original documents I own and specifically provided to John Jenkins for the express use by the PCA in the Library. To be specific, those files are:
Those documents were taken from the PCA Library directly and were not otherwise in some "public domain" location unless that location specifically took them from the PCA Library.
Is this legal? Perhaps, based on the comments previously made but I have my doubts. Is it unethical? Definitely.
John Danza
"Positive attitude makes for good decisions, but bad decisions make for great stories."
Posted 10 July 2015 - 11:19 AM
Hi John,
Who led you to believe that?
I certainly didn't take them from the PCA ( had downloaded sheaffer catalogues during my time int he PCA), but they also appear to be the same materials.
regards
David
Posted 10 July 2015 - 02:16 PM
Hi John,
Who led you to believe that?
I certainly didn't take them from the PCA ( had downloaded sheaffer catalogues during my time int he PCA), but they also appear to be the same materials.
regards
David
Actually David, you did in a communication a while back that I can't lay my hands on right now and don't have the time to find. You told me none of this stuff came from the PCA. I can tell you that that's an incorrect statement, regardless of who took them.
Like I said, I'm not sure what the legalities and so far no one in this thread has professed themselves to be a copyright attorney, so everything else is opinion. I didn't accuse you of taking them from the PCA. But someone did, and I frankly don't consider that legal, and definitely don't consider it ethical because the PCA put that information behind a login that required membership. I live in the real world, where integrity and ethics matter, regardless of legality.
John Danza
"Positive attitude makes for good decisions, but bad decisions make for great stories."
Posted 10 July 2015 - 04:21 PM
Hi John,
Who led you to believe that?
I certainly didn't take them from the PCA ( had downloaded sheaffer catalogues during my time int he PCA), but they also appear to be the same materials.
regards
David
Actually David, you did in a communication a while back that I can't lay my hands on right now and don't have the time to find. You told me none of this stuff came from the PCA. I can tell you that that's an incorrect statement, regardless of who took them.
Like I said, I'm not sure what the legalities and so far no one in this thread has professed themselves to be a copyright attorney, so everything else is opinion. I didn't accuse you of taking them from the PCA. But someone did, and I frankly don't consider that legal, and definitely don't consider it ethical because the PCA put that information behind a login that required membership. I live in the real world, where integrity and ethics matter, regardless of legality.
I very much doubt I said those words, John, though if you show me that I am in error we can address that.
It is well more likely I told you I did not get the material *from* the PCA library, which is quite true.
Do peek in on the Facebook thread in which you are involved. David Nishimura made a reasonable point, and my reasonable response gets to the heart of the matter.
Jon (not John) is welcome to snark of course. I like snark.
Well, you can snark too of course, but so far you seem to be having an issues-oriented chat... all the better.
regards
david
Posted 10 July 2015 - 06:20 PM
Hi John,
Who led you to believe that?
I certainly didn't take them from the PCA ( had downloaded sheaffer catalogues during my time int he PCA), but they also appear to be the same materials.
regards
David
Actually David, you did in a communication a while back that I can't lay my hands on right now and don't have the time to find. You told me none of this stuff came from the PCA. I can tell you that that's an incorrect statement, regardless of who took them.
Like I said, I'm not sure what the legalities and so far no one in this thread has professed themselves to be a copyright attorney, so everything else is opinion. I didn't accuse you of taking them from the PCA. But someone did, and I frankly don't consider that legal, and definitely don't consider it ethical because the PCA put that information behind a login that required membership. I live in the real world, where integrity and ethics matter, regardless of legality.
I very much doubt I said those words, John, though if you show me that I am in error we can address that.
It is well more likely I told you I did not get the material *from* the PCA library, which is quite true.
Do peek in on the Facebook thread in which you are involved. David Nishimura made a reasonable point, and my reasonable response gets to the heart of the matter.
Jon (not John) is welcome to snark of course. I like snark.
Well, you can snark too of course, but so far you seem to be having an issues-oriented chat... all the better.
regards
david
Hi David,
I don't snark, at least electronically. It's not worth my time and too many people hide behind the anonimity of the internet. In the rest of my post here, understand that when I use the words "take", "took", "stole" or "steal", I mean it in the ethical sense and not the legal sense. As I said, none of us are copyright lawyers and I live in the world where behavior is judged in an ethical sense.
I'll take a look at the FB post when I get a chance.
I think you'll acknowledge that I never said you took the documents from the PCA library and you say you didn't. I believe you when you tell me that and others should as well unless there's proof to the contrary. I hope we're on common ground there.
The fact does remain however that someone did take those documents from the PCA library, items that were behind the "protection" of a login and password and were for the benefit of only PCA members, and put those items in a place that is exposed to the public. In my non-legal, looking-at-the-ethics mind, that's stealing.
If the next step is that you yourself located those items in the now public location and decided to distribute those items to the world, I'm not comfortable with the ethics on that, especially if you know the origins in the first place. My analogy, albeit not a perfect one because it involves a truely illegal act, is the pawn shop that unknowingly buys a piece of stolen property from someone. When the cops eventually come calling looking for the item, they're not going to say "hey, that's ok. You didn't know it was stolen. Go ahead and keep the item and sell it to a customer". They're going to take it back and give it to the original owner.
Anyway, that's where I stand on it. The ethics just don't work for me. Sorry.
John Danza
"Positive attitude makes for good decisions, but bad decisions make for great stories."
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