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#21 Reaper

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Posted 17 October 2015 - 11:50 AM

 

I'm with Todd.  Being prepared to buy well is important.  But, "not knowing what you are looking at" as a buyer does not excuse fraud by seller.

 

Agree 1000% here. "Buyer beware" is not an excuse for fraudulent behavior on the part of the seller. As part of my profession, I deal with the issue of fraud, waste & abuse in the medical billing world all the time. The difference between "abuse" and "fraud"? Criminal intent. Case in point right here in the thread:

 

I can take this one step further.  I watched a well known ebay pen seller purchase reproduction parts at a pen show.  Those parts becaome 'experimental' and 'prototype' pens about 2 months later. 

 

 

Todd's example is clear criminal fraud. There's nothing "squishy" about it. Todd could have reported this person to the authorities, and possibly should have.

 

Bottom line: Being an old widow (if she really was) doesn't excuse being a scammer.

 

I am in agreement with you all as for misrepresentation.. And was only making the point that at least I was informed of the truth before purchase.. I mean if the seller really was scamming or committing fraud as you all say, do you think the seller would of told me of the reproduction before I made purchase?

Also It was not in Auction, it was listed in a BIN or Best Offer...


Edited by Reaper, 17 October 2015 - 11:56 AM.


#22 John Danza

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Posted 17 October 2015 - 05:55 PM

It seems the seller didn't want to be caught in an overt lie. They were just happy to knowingly omit information and hope that no one would ask. I still consider it a scam.

 

Here's another example with an eBay auction I'm looking at now, for a green Vacumatic that I'm looking to add to my user rotation. Here's the title of the auction and the description:

 

 

Vintage Parker Vacumatic Major fountain pen, Restored - EXC to Superb Condition

Here is a vintage Parker Vacumatic Major fountain pen in superb condition.  5 3/32" long.  14k Parker medium nib that has been polished and adjusted to write smoothly.  The entire pen has been dismantled and most parts soaked in the ultrasonic cleaner.  The body has been hand polished to show the rich green striated color, and the furniture is bright.  Only very minor wear that the polish didn't remove, but nothing to distract from the beauty of the pen.  Almost perfect condition.  Ready to write, and just needs ink to put in your rotation or display proudly in your collection.  The writing sample was done with a full bladder of Pelikan Black on lightweight cardstock.  Please zoom into the photos for more detail.

 

Sounds great, doesn't it? It looks good too, from the photos. But with Vacs, for me even user grade pens better have pretty decent barrel transparency because I want to see how much ink is in it. So I asked the seller about that. Here's the answer:
 

 

Not very transparent really. That's the only thing I see wrong with this pen.

 

How the heck can a Vacumatic be "almost perfect condition" and have little transparency? I've since noted that the seller did not add the Q&A to the auction, which can be done with one click on eBay. So this guy is a scammer in my book, knowingly omitting a flaw and hoping no one askes. Makes me wonder what other flaws there are that I didn't ask about. Another seller to avoid, as far as I'm concerned.



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#23 Reaper

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Posted 15 November 2015 - 01:21 PM

Just wanted to let everyone know I recently received my latest purchase from this seller, (Believe this makes three) and I am satisfied, my second purchase from the seller was a half demonstrator which as I said in previous post I was told before purchase that the Parker 51 demonstrator hood was a reproduction part. The last purchase was a Parker 51 (buckskin) 1945 1st quarter (all authentic) my best offer price was accepted and I am very happy with my purchase..






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