Mr Saskatoon
It is truely right and just to feel uneasy about this post.
Jerry Adair

I apologize that i like the pens.

This one is also interesting:

http://www.ebay.com/...=item2c674ff030

Nice condition, that's for sure.

Seems to me that unless you're resonably sure the box is original to the pen, or at least could have been, it adds no value at all. Unless one happens to collect boxes...

Tim

It is original to the pen, ill see if i can get a photo, as i know of many variations in boxes.

Im curious on how much added value a Parker box has to a Golden Web Junior Slender 2 Band Lockdown vacumatic?

Brando

Those numbers are low and high estimates, what we think the pen will sell at. Bidding starts at half the low estimate.

The e-blast for the sale and the actual online catalogue (as opposed to this link) will go out Monday.

Thanks for your interest.

Rick

Looks great, were the emails for the catalog sent out? (I haven't received an email yet) Also what does say [500/750] mean? I take it means money, but please help me.

Thanks Rick,

Never seen that used before without dollar signs. Im used to looking at Sotheby and Bonham auction's. Other wise looks amazing!

Here is the box with the pen, a very nice pen, im not sure if id call it a user since its in good condition, but its definitely not NOS either.

That prohibition pen is very unique, I've never seen one, but I believe I have came across David N's article relating to commemorative gifts but did not pay close attention to the pen. Can one speculate on how many examples of the Waterman are known?

Sorry for the thread bump, but I can't help but bump such a great resource. I also have a question on a Lucky Curve England 30 nib, what does this mean?

Welcome to FPB

Looks great, were the emails for the catalog sent out? (I haven't received an email yet) Also what does say [500/750] mean? I take it means money, but please help me.

A grand find, all told.
(SNIP)
I have never seen this pattern done in this style,
(SNIP)

Thanks, David. I am honestly flabbergasted that I've been able to recently come up with two Sterling Watermans you haven't seen the likes of. I will make sure to bring them both to Raleigh so you can see them in person. When you say you haven't seen this pattern done in this style, do you mean you haven't seen it as a safety pen, a fully covered pen, or as a telescoping cap pen?

If possible I'd like to chime in. Hopefully none of my facts are out of place.

I think what David means by not seeing this style, is that he hasn't seen it in the telescoping cap. In all honestly, I haven't either. I've seen it in half overlays, safety's, and regular overlays but nothing with a telescoping cap.

I don't know how many telescoping capped ringtop Watermans were made in total, as I've only seen examples or ringtops, but I suspect that less than 10% of all L.E. Watermans ringrop pens were ever telescoping capped pens given the scarcity.

Just my .02, would love to hear from someone with more resources.

Brando

Those numbers are low and high estimates, what we think the pen will sell at. Bidding starts at half the low estimate.

The e-blast for the sale and the actual online catalogue (as opposed to this link) will go out Monday.

Thanks for your interest.

Rick

Looks great, were the emails for the catalog sent out? (I haven't received an email yet) Also what does say [500/750] mean? I take it means money, but please help me.

Thanks Rick,

Never seen that used before without dollar signs. Im used to looking at Sotheby and Bonham auction's. Other wise looks amazing!

Welcome,

Do you have any fountain pens as of right now?

G'day Mars

Thanks for sharing your collection.
I have two questions:

• are the drawings yours? If so, very nice indeed.
• is the dip pen with the MOP handle at the bottom [front[ of the photo a Foley's?

Respectfully

Hi Garth,


That dip pen is a Mabie Todd and Co. New York #3 (The lone nib next to it is a Warranted one I just got on a broken "Controlor" Pen from Germany. One Pound for the pen, Five for shipping!)


Thank you for the compliment on my sketches. I started getting flexible nibs to let off steam from work by drawing pictures, which I used to do all the time, and now am starting again. Those are on folded Fabriano Watercolor paper, with the idea of sending them as cards. If you like, I would be happy to send you one with a note inside (or not). I'd be famous Down Under! (insert appropriately exuberant emoticon and quote from Muriel's Wedding here.)

Best wishes,
Mars

I also love the sketches, i din't know they were yours, but thanks for explaining. They are good enough that you should a limited edition set of 100 or something.

Mars,

Im guessing you dont like Esterbrook's? I like the hammered cap P51.

Mars,

Im guessing you dont like Esterbrook's? I like the hammered cap P51.

O, I love my Esties, and think they have one of the prettiest designs, but they don't get so much use anymore.
The "51" is the latest purchase, for $45.00. Fred Krinke kindly cut the new diaphragm for me, because the person who "restored" it put in a diaphragm as long as an eel.
But it is a smooth medium nib.
Best,
Mars

Congrats on the purchase!

Congrats Lorrie,

Do you know the models of the Sheaffers and Parker?

After alot of looking, im also not 100% on that P51. Looking at some sites, and finding a few pens similar (not the same) im lead to believe its an English P51 Aerometric.

I will put a pound on that its a P51 vac

True, ill have to do a bit more looking, or maybe David N. or I. can chime in...

After alot of looking, im also not 100% on that P51. Looking at some sites, and finding a few pens similar (not the same) im lead to believe its an English P51 Aerometric.

After alot of looking, im also not 100% on that P51. Looking at some sites, and finding a few pens similar (not the same) im lead to believe its an English P51 Aerometric.

I will put a pound on that its a P51 vac

I have no clue on the pen, i dont want to jump to conclusions, but frankenpen?

Aren't the beautiful overlay Parkers worth more?

As is usually the case, the answer is "it depends". In a lot of cases, Parkers with overlays have a higher value than non-overlay pens. But this all ties back to relative scarcity. The non-overlay pens were generally less expensive to buy when new, so more of them were made and sold into the market. But some overlays are fairly common, such as the Model 16 with gold-filled fillagree overlay. I can buy five of them for the price of a Black Giant, a black hard rubber pen. While that sounds like an unfair comparison, generally Model 16s are worth less than a BHR model 20 click-filler. Again, it's all about relative scarcity.

John, do you like these black pens What makes these more collectable than others? I know the gold band adds some value, and anything on a particular year that makes it special?

I can't answer your question on what makes them more or less collectable than others. Why are there so many Duofold collectors, which are much more common pens than the earlier BHR pens and the overlays? It's just what strikes your fancy.


Do I like the black hard rubber pens? Hum, let's see....take a look below. This will do for a start. Stand back.

Nice collection John! I must say, they dont spark my fancy, so disrespect to you.

Thanks for the post,

I was there, just sometimes it takes soo long to upload. But ive finally uploaded a picture

http://cgi.ebay.com/...c#ht_500wt_1413

I was tempted to buy this pen, the price was very reasonable. However those $350 can go towards something I don't have already, congrats to the winner though!

It didn't hit ebay as a BIN, but it looks like Bob Novak made the guy an offer and he took it. Too bad, as I was going to bid on that pen and willing to go a little more. It's a nice pen, and IMHO much more scarce than Black Giants.

I dont have nearly as much experience is Parker than i do Waterman. Aren't the beautiful overlay Parkers worth more? John, do you like these black pens What makes these more collectable than others? I know the gold band adds some value, and anything on a particular year that makes it special?

Thank you, and sadly just wanted to remind this isn't a deal thread or anything like that. I thought it may of been a smooth overlay, and yes it's a 452 which was labeled a 1/2 model in the title, which really caught me off guard. The photo's are really bad, but still a cool thought if the pen is out there of a smooth silver 452. Looking forward to the app, how long of a duration would the app look over?

Good Lord! How many times? Pay Attention!

MIT ? You can't be serious.


BTW, you are also wrong in your following statement. It was a 452 1/2 that was labeled a 452 1/2V in the title.

Im sorry, i was asking a broad question. I dont want another one of those threads.

Im sorry, i was asking a broad question. I dont want another one of those threads.

His comment largely was focused on grammar. Whether his point was small or not, he was not commenting on the pen or merit of the pen question. Nothing wrong with the pen question, though as I noted, the ebay ad is somewhat limited in its own presentation. Yeah, maybe its a bit snarky to keep poking at awful grammar, but-- again-- how one writes speaks to how he thinks. Spending 10% more time on each post before posting would not be a bad thing. Too, again, I suggest you buy Strunk and White, and Word Power Made Easy. Seriously, half the hours spent the next year with those two books that you are now spending on pens now will do more to improve your future prospects and career opportunities than you likely can imagine.

regards

d

Thank you,

Ill add those two to my to buy book list. Looking back at my first post, what was i thinking when i typed that.