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#81 david i

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 11:04 PM

Having read this thread I have reconsidered my plan of joining the PCA - quite obviously the they must be using the same operating manual as FPN !

I'll just stick to this forum and consider WES instead. Just sayin'

 

 

 

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There is merit to be found in many organizations. We're glad you play at FPB, of course :)

 

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#82 John Danza

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 11:44 PM

Having read this thread I have reconsidered my plan of joining the PCA - quite obviously the they must be using the same operating manual as FPN !

I'll just stick to this forum and consider WES instead. Just sayin'

 

You shouldn't let Veley influence your decision to join the PCA. It's a good organization with good people on the board. The resources are excellent, and the Pennant is a good magazine. The board just needs to do a little more searching for an editor.



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#83 JonSzanto

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 12:56 AM

Having read this thread I have reconsidered my plan of joining the PCA - quite obviously the they must be using the same operating manual as FPN !

I'll just stick to this forum and consider WES instead. Just sayin'

 

Oh, no, please don't! At least base it on the quality of the offerings from that group, along with how much you care to support such an organization. Don't base it on things posted on an Internet forum.

 

TBH, I only renewed about 3 weeks ago (when it was due); had my due date been around now, I'm not sure how I would have been affected. I do know that I'm determined to give it a year and we'll see how it shakes out. The organization stands for some good things, and this isn't the time to abandon it.



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Posted 07 August 2014 - 01:19 AM

I think Mr. Danza is a bit over the top on this one - gotta respectfully disagree John.  I think Jon will be a fine editor of the Pennant.  It's not always easy to defend the PCA and there was a time when David and I were definitely on the opposite sides of that fence though there was never anything personal about it.  I will be glad to support both publications as there are good folks at both that can put out great information.

 

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 01:31 AM

Having reread this entire thread, I now agree, nib re-tipping is easy.

 

On most other things I'm still confused.



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Posted 07 August 2014 - 01:36 AM

After reading the above I've decided Rick isn't "too cheap"...just "smarter than me"...

 

I found Veley's post extremely disappointing for several reasons, one being I just joined the PCA at a time when dysfunction and unrest seem rampant. Also I have a great deal of respect for David I. , not only does he fund this forum himself but more so I've always been impressed with his willingness to share his knowledge and help to grow the hobby, so I find it rather poor form to toss unsubstantiated accusations into a forum such as this. 

 

I also find it difficult to understand why a new editor of a low key, specific interest publication would bother to rubbish the past editor for no apparent reason in such a public fashion. I was also under the impression both David and Paul where regular contributors to Penant , pissing off well respected contributors is not a good idea.

 

Causing dissension is rarely a good move. Many years ago I was actively involved in a small cattle breed society that was struggling to gain market access (mainly caused by little idea of being progressive/infighting) and over a period of 10 years I drove changes in it to make it up to date in outlook (simply looking at what the successful breeds do and copy it...) , to ensure financial stability and long term viability (renegotiated one supply agreement that saved $23,000 over 3 yrs). All sounds so simple...but ignorance and stupidity came to the front.....with a decision that would have financially ruined it, I had to put my head on the chopping block to reverse it ( I was VP) and a number of members left to form a now defunct alternative society. Two years later I was asked to run the finances (which I ran at a surplus every year btw)  and review the constitution but in the end left when I wrote two articles for their magazine that weren't published and I was told there where "no articles from your state sent in". Incidentally we where putting $2,500 into their coffers every year, and the year after I stopped overseeing their finances they lost $7,500 (out of a budget of 70 odd thousand) and have gone from having an EO promoting and running the Society to being run out of someones kitchen. CAUSING open dissension among members is a recipe for ongoing trouble, membership loss, loss of focus and an inability to move forward positively, doing so privately isn't good either. Exactly what happened above will happen to the PCA if it allows personal feelings/egos to dominate over logic.

 

Being grateful to others for there previous work would be a positive way forward. I fail completely to understand why Veley would write something so damaging to the PCA and post it in a public forum.

 

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#87 John Danza

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 02:42 AM

I think Mr. Danza is a bit over the top on this one - gotta respectfully disagree John.  I think Jon will be a fine editor of the Pennant.  It's not always easy to defend the PCA and there was a time when David and I were definitely on the opposite sides of that fence though there was never anything personal about it.  I will be glad to support both publications as there are good folks at both that can put out great information.

 

Roger W.

 

I'm over the top Roger???? Did you see that nonsense Veley wrote? Don't make the mistake of backing up that baseless rant just to back up the PCA. Now is the time for the PCA Board to make a correction before more damage is done. If they just circle the wagons, they'll lose membership quickly.



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#88 Procyon

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 03:08 AM

Having reread this entire thread, I now agree, nib re-tipping is easy.

 

On most other things I'm still confused.

 

I re-read it myself, and I have to agree with Farmboy.   Also, I have decided that I hate everyone (besides Farmboy) in the "pen community" and I have decided to destroy all my pens in a mass bonfire.  There will be a huge weinie roast.

 

My collection efforts will henceforth be restricted to collecting undergarments worn by Mae West, Lana Turner, and Judy Garland.  ...... And maybe Donald O' Conner.  I can hardly contain my enthusiasm.

 

Maybe some of you fellers should lighten up.  It's a fuckin' hobby.



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Posted 07 August 2014 - 04:01 AM

 

Having reread this entire thread, I now agree, nib re-tipping is easy.

 

On most other things I'm still confused.

 

I re-read it myself, and I have to agree with Farmboy.   Also, I have decided that I hate everyone (besides Farmboy) in the "pen community" and I have decided to destroy all my pens in a mass bonfire.  There will be a huge weinie roast.

 

My collection efforts will henceforth be restricted to collecting undergarments worn by Mae West, Lana Turner, and Judy Garland.  ...... And maybe Donald O' Conner.  I can hardly contain my enthusiasm.

 

Maybe some of you fellers should lighten up.  It's a fuckin' hobby.

 

 

Now this IS serious.....


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 05:14 AM

...collecting undergarments worn by Mae West, Lana Turner, and Judy Garland. ...... And maybe Donald O' Conner. I can hardly contain my enthusiasm.

Agreed... would those be seperate forums?

Edited by gweddig, 07 August 2014 - 05:15 AM.


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 05:49 AM

My collection efforts will henceforth be restricted to collecting undergarments worn by Mae West, Lana Turner, and Judy Garland.  ...... And maybe Donald O' Conner.  I can hardly contain my enthusiasm.

 

Never a more important time than this to ask the question: are you a user or a collector?



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Posted 07 August 2014 - 10:46 AM

 

My collection efforts will henceforth be restricted to collecting undergarments worn by Mae West, Lana Turner, and Judy Garland.  ...... And maybe Donald O' Conner.  I can hardly contain my enthusiasm.

 

Never a more important time than this to ask the question: are you a user or a collector?

 

 

We may be better of not knowing these detail Jon !!  It should be noted stretching the garments would seriously affect both value and resale, also noting it would need to be fairly substantial man ( in every sense) to fill Mae Wests undergarments.


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 12:12 PM

I can't think of a more fitting end to the discussion.


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 03:38 PM

I'm a lumberjack, and I'm OK.



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 12:02 AM

 

I think Mr. Danza is a bit over the top on this one - gotta respectfully disagree John.  I think Jon will be a fine editor of the Pennant.  It's not always easy to defend the PCA and there was a time when David and I were definitely on the opposite sides of that fence though there was never anything personal about it.  I will be glad to support both publications as there are good folks at both that can put out great information.

 

Roger W.

 

I'm over the top Roger???? Did you see that nonsense Veley wrote? Don't make the mistake of backing up that baseless rant just to back up the PCA. Now is the time for the PCA Board to make a correction before more damage is done. If they just circle the wagons, they'll lose membership quickly.

 

They have already lost at least one member. Based on what I have read on this thread I shall not be renewing my PCA membership. This decision is a measure of how disparaging I found certain comments and accusations. Given the attitude of the new editor of The Pennant I know I shall not be missed. I will take my money elsewhere,



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 12:46 AM

Oh hold me back. You are like so many of the posters on fpn. $40 lousy buck and you're going to run away? How do you handle a disagreement at home? Procyon put it perfectly "it's a fucking hobby"
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Posted 11 August 2014 - 05:46 AM

I was in hearings all day yesterday.  Now that I've got a few minutes, I thought it best to set the record straight on a few items that have come up in the course of this thread. 

 

First:  I am the editor of the Pennant, and I was hired to put out the magazine.  Period.  I'm not a member of the board, and I'm not authorized to speak on behalf of the PCA.  When I speak on the subject of the PCA library, I speak as a long-time fan of the project and as a concerned member of the PCA for what is going on.

 

Second:  what is going on is NOT, in my opinion, an altruistic venture to make information in the public domain available to all.  If I sounded sharp in my tone, it's because I believe I know exactly what is going on here.  Shortly after Paul Erano was relieved of his duties editing the Pennant, he began making plans to start his own magazine, tentatively called "Fountain Pen Journal."  There has even been a website page put up -- www.fountainpenjournal.com.   Take a look now before it's changed.  The links aren't active yet, and the "Staff Contributors" are Star Trek characters, but there's apparently plans to post articles on FPGeeks as well as here at FPB. 

 

We're about 5 days out from this post. I'd seen the linked page when Jon Veley suggested we peek. I looked again tonight.  Apparently there should not have been such a rush to look. It appears still... five days later... not to have changed. What does that mean?

 

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 12:05 PM

Five pages and no pens?
Then it's all your fault you'll have to make do with my mediocre specimens (and worse photography):

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 01:02 AM

 

I was in hearings all day yesterday.  Now that I've got a few minutes, I thought it best to set the record straight on a few items that have come up in the course of this thread. 

 

First:  I am the editor of the Pennant, and I was hired to put out the magazine.  Period.  I'm not a member of the board, and I'm not authorized to speak on behalf of the PCA.  When I speak on the subject of the PCA library, I speak as a long-time fan of the project and as a concerned member of the PCA for what is going on.

 

Second:  what is going on is NOT, in my opinion, an altruistic venture to make information in the public domain available to all.  If I sounded sharp in my tone, it's because I believe I know exactly what is going on here.  Shortly after Paul Erano was relieved of his duties editing the Pennant, he began making plans to start his own magazine, tentatively called "Fountain Pen Journal."  There has even been a website page put up -- www.fountainpenjournal.com.   Take a look now before it's changed.  The links aren't active yet, and the "Staff Contributors" are Star Trek characters, but there's apparently plans to post articles on FPGeeks as well as here at FPB. 

 

We're about 5 days out from this post. I'd seen the linked page when Jon Veley suggested we peek. I looked again tonight.  Apparently there should not have been such a rush to look. It appears still... five days later... not to have changed. What does that mean?

 

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can we get a chilton on that home page picture? 

 

It would make me feel better.



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Posted 12 August 2014 - 07:01 AM

Hi Rick,

I imagine that at the next tweak of that page (what, ya' thought it would never get to change?) a Chilton can be incorporated ;)

 

Maybe a black pen too.

 

And some more info about the evil Archive.

 

I enjoyed hanging out with you (as usual) at the DC Pen Show.

 

Paul received a hefffty number of subscriptions to the new mag.

 

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