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#21 Mike Hosea

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 07:10 PM

While I would preface it by noting that Ron's price is very reasonable, and I'm confident that his product is excellent, there is a sliver of Stef's position that I can relate to. It's not the cringe-worthy application of nail varnish (!), rather the notion that Ron's rosin-based sealant is the one to get in order to do it "right", which might be coming across unintentionally. It's not difficult to make rosin-based sealant with a block of rosin, pure castor oil, a glass or metal jar/tub, and a heat gun. I finally got around to mixing up around 30ml last night in an old ink bottle with $3 worth of ingredients (admittedly with a $70 heat gun). It wasn't exactly the hardest thing I did yesterday. Looks real purty, too. I'm sure it's not the optimal consistency, but I can dial it in.

Rather than go to the trouble, I'd actually have bought some from Ron myself, but either my email went astray, or I might well have pissed Ron off over the Noodler's Ink melting sacs or not issue awhile back. (Still in the process of trying to replicate a melt with Noodler's Blue, but it took a year to see it the first time, and there are still 2 or 3 months to go on this trial.)

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 07:15 PM

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I do not believe the claim is that only Ron's original recipe is best or necessary. But paranoid straw men indeed did not advance the chat.
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Posted 12 May 2015 - 09:17 PM

While I would preface it by noting that Ron's price is very reasonable, and I'm confident that his product is excellent, there is a sliver of Stef's position that I can relate to. It's not the cringe-worthy application of nail varnish (!), rather the notion that Ron's rosin-based sealant is the one to get in order to do it "right", which might be coming across unintentionally. It's not difficult to make rosin-based sealant with a block of rosin, pure castor oil, a glass or metal jar/tub, and a heat gun. I finally got around to mixing up around 30ml last night in an old ink bottle with $3 worth of ingredients (admittedly with a $70 heat gun). It wasn't exactly the hardest thing I did yesterday. Looks real purty, too. I'm sure it's not the optimal consistency, but I can dial it in.

Rather than go to the trouble, I'd actually have bought some from Ron myself, but either my email went astray, or I might well have pissed Ron off over the Noodler's Ink melting sacs or not issue awhile back. (Still in the process of trying to replicate a melt with Noodler's Blue, but it took a year to see it the first time, and there are still 2 or 3 months to go on this trial.)

Hello Mike

 

I have also made a small jar of rosin which no doubt will outlast me , it is easy enough to make.

My original point that i was trying to convey was that the newbie or the one pen man/women do not need to go out and buy all the tools, equipment and supplies to simply get one pen serviced. 

 

Thanks for your comments

 

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 09:32 PM

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I do not believe the claim is that only Ron's original recipe is best or necessary. But paranoid straw men indeed did not advance the chat.

Hi David

 

Some straw men may not take the subject of pens as serious as others, and may find the comments rather predictable and yes

(No 7 in Losing Debater's Manual) rather amusing. Therefore is seems rather pointless to make any advances in the chat.

Cheers

Stef. 



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Posted 12 May 2015 - 10:11 PM

My original point that i was trying to convey was that the newbie or the one pen man/women do not need to go out and buy all the tools, equipment and supplies to simply get one pen serviced. 

 

So why is it that you felt the need to impugn the reputation of a well-respected repairperson in order to make that point? 



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Posted 12 May 2015 - 10:48 PM

 

My original point that i was trying to convey was that the newbie or the one pen man/women do not need to go out and buy all the tools, equipment and supplies to simply get one pen serviced. 

 

So why is it that you felt the need to impugn the reputation of a well-respected repairperson in order to make that point? 

 

Hi

 

That is why i find it amusing, i did not "impugn" anyone. Believe me if i would have wanted to then i would, i am more than capable for speaking up for myself. Maybe some people are a little to quick to criticize others.

 

You have a great day

 

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 11:02 PM

It's easy to make your own sealant, it's just rosin plus castor oil. You can use the violin string stuff, heat it up with a bit of oil and let it cool. Too thick repeat with a bit more oil...too thin add rosin. It last a long, long time !! I think one batch will be all I make.


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Posted 12 May 2015 - 11:08 PM

 

i did not "impugn" anyone.

 

Explain your "Ka-ching" remark, then. You weren't even mature enough to mention the person by name.



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Posted 12 May 2015 - 11:08 PM

... the Noodler's Ink melting sacs or not issue awhile back. (Still in the process of trying to replicate a melt with Noodler's Blue, but it took a year to see it the first time, and there are still 2 or 3 months to go on this trial.)

 

Hi Mike,

 

I wonder if there was a faulty batch of sacs, I had one basically melt a big hole in the side of it after ~12 mths ( give or take 4,6,8,or 10) and I use fairly basic inks like Watermans.

 

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 11:10 PM

Mind you if I only had shellac I'd just use it but sparingly, just enough to hold and seal.


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Posted 13 May 2015 - 01:35 AM

 

Hi
I do not believe the claim is that only Ron's original recipe is best or necessary. But paranoid straw men indeed did not advance the chat.

Hi David

 

Some straw men may not take the subject of pens as serious as others, and may find the comments rather predictable and yes

(No 7 in Losing Debater's Manual) rather amusing. Therefore is seems rather pointless to make any advances in the chat.

Cheers

Stef. 

 

 

We can value then the weight of the comments of those who do not value their own comments... appropriately.

 

regards

 

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#32 Mike Hosea

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Posted 13 May 2015 - 01:52 AM

I wonder if there was a faulty batch of sacs, I had one basically melt a big hole in the side of it after ~12 mths ( give or take 4,6,8,or 10) and I use fairly basic inks like Watermans.


No question it can happen for that reason, especially in a Snorkel or TD because the proximity of metal. My personal opinion when it came up back then was that the risk of confirmation bias was overwhelming once people had made the association with Noodler's inks.

So I started exposing sac fragments in Noodler's inks for long durations, with control fragments cut from the same sacs (side-by-side cuts). Ron points out that my experiments will not yield a convincing negative result, because actual usage involves inks on one side and air on the other. I concede this and considered how to modify the experiment, but in the end I decided that I was already doing all I was willing to do. Because, you see, I really don't give a rat's ass about Noodler's inks in particular. I'm just being me when it comes to analyzing information.

Long story short, nothing happened to most of the sac fragments. I don't mean "very little". I mean as far as I could tell, they were pristine, perhaps even in better condition than the control fragments in Waterman Blue. This was also true of the fragments that had been in "dryout" versions of the experiment, open vials. However, after one year, the fragment in the closed Noodler's Blue vial had lost its elasticity and become a bit sticky, whereas the control fragments were all fine. So last July, I restarted two more trials with Noodler's Blue (and another couple of inks) using a lot more sac fragments. I check on it infrequently because it did take something like a year last time before any change was evident to me.

I'm actually kind of hoping the results repeat. Otherwise, I'm left with the enigma of the first sac failure (and not of the control fragment). But if I had to put money down, I'd bet on ending up with an enigma.




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