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#1 BrianMcQueen

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:12 AM

I've been accumulating some Vacumatic pencils lately, separately from their pen counterparts, and I'm beginning to wonder how to ID them. I know there are many different variations of Vacumatic pens, and while I'm sure there aren't quite as many variations of pencils, there still are quite a few. It's quite easy to get them confused with each other, but certain clues such as trim and date codes can help. So I present to you below the Vacumatic pencils I have in my collection. Some I know the model (maybe not the generation) and others I am utterly confused. I put a list below the picture. The ones in bold are the ones that I need help with.


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From top to bottom (pencils are arranged from shortest to longest)

1. Silver Pearl Debutante Second Generation 4-5/8" Date Code .0.

2. Silver Shadow Wave Vac Junior Second Generation 4-5/8" Date Code 1

3. Golden Pearl, striped end jewel Second Generation? 5" Date Code 37
This pencil came with a 2nd Gen Senior Maxima pen, they both have the same personalization, but the cap band is not wide like I would expect it to be. The pencil itself is a bit bigger in diameter, though, than the other pencils, just as I'd expect. Notice how it has a short nose cone, similar to the Junior presented above it.

4. Silver Pearl, Jeweler's cap band ?Gen? 5" Date Code 0
The same length as the previous pencil which has me confused, but a smaller diameter, this one has a jeweler's cap band and the Parker imprint on the clip. I am at a total loss on this one.

5. Emerald Pearl Major Third Generation 5.1" Date Code .6.

6. Azure Pearl Major Third Generation 5.1" Date Code .5.

7. Golden Pearl, striped end jewel ?Gen? 5-1/4" Date Code .0.
Is this a second generation major? Do we expect striped end jewels on 1940 pens/pencils?


Hopefully this post can serve as the start of a general ID guide, and others can build on it.

Edited by RobertNFrappuls, 07 December 2011 - 11:04 PM.


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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:17 AM

Nice stuff :)

Must sleep, but tomorrow after doing some more paperwork, will share info on these.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 11:22 AM

Must sleep, but tomorrow after doing some more paperwork, will share info on these.


d: Please include some information on the "click-click" variety of these Parker vacumatic pencils.
- - - Thanks in advance, Jim

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 03:58 PM

7. Golden Pearl, striped end jewel ?Gen? 5-1/4" Date Code .0.
Is this a second generation major? Do we expect striped end jewels on 1940 pens/pencils?


Parker (and Sheaffer) pencils switched from "thick" to "thin" lead ±1938. Do your short cone pencils use 1.1mm lead and the throwaway metal lead "cartridge" and the long cone pencils are .9mm lead?

Two-jewel and early 1942 single jewel Major pens are longer than the Junior; thereafter the same length as the Jr. I don't have examples to prove this, but I wonder if the Major pencils from the same time frame are also longer than Jrs?

Striped jewels in 1940 is not unexpected. David will know when the switch to black jewels occured and the date is the reason you don't find striped jewels on blue Vacs.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:38 PM

d: Please include some information on the "click-click" variety of these Parker vacumatic pencils.
- - - Thanks in advance, Jim


While David is sleeping, I'll slip in a picture of the Non-Stop pencil: Debutante, Major, Maxima, and one jeweler's band.
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The only difference between the Major and Maxima is the width of the cap band, so I don't know how many distinct sizes there are of the jeweler's band. End of '38 to early '39.

But wait, there's more!, as they say. Parker Canada also produced this pencil as a 2-band Jr and a 3-band Streamline Std. I've only seen brown; don't know about date codes and they often have no barrel imprint.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:52 PM

This topic grabbed me because I also find the variations in Vac pencils interesting. Since I focus on the pens, however, I hadn't taken time to lay a bunch of them side-by-side and compare them. Here are a few of mine:

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On top is a golden web pencil marked 46 (for 1936)
The burgundy pencil is marked 18 (for 1938)
The two injector pencils (green and brown) are both marked 9. I think it's interesting to see the wider band on the brown that goes with a Maxima pen.
The blue is marked 1 (for 1941)
And finally, you've got a whopper silver OS pencil marked 46 (for 1936)

As near as I can tell, the standard-size pencils in the first generation are generally proportioned similar to the golden web seen above, although the earliest pencils have larger nose cones.


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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:02 PM

Really, I do promise to address the questions in first post. Just a bit tied up this afternoon, and don't want to dive into detailed process.

That said, with this eye candy showing, I'm getting the urge to pull some nice and even special Vac pencils out of storage for their first ever photo shoots. This could get ugly... :lol:

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:05 PM

Um... isn't ugly eye candy an oxymoron?

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:08 PM

Um... isn't ugly eye candy an oxymoron?

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:28 PM

Ok. I'll poke in on this thread in more detail later, really.

Here though is a quick eye-candy shot. Both of these Vacumatic pencils are... special. No joke.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 08:51 PM

Overlap, one back, one forward, between the '38 and '39 catalogs?

brown is dated '39 but a match to a plain arrow '38 Streamline Std?
burgundy matches a 3-band Slender (same size as Debutante/Sub Deb) carried over to the split arrow clip era?



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Posted 08 December 2011 - 03:34 AM

Must be having a weak moment, bringing out some of the good stuff.


Here's some eye candy.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 05:21 AM

Must be having a weak moment, bringing out some of the good stuff.

Not fair at all, but keep 'em coming!

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 03:21 PM

I've been accumulating some Vacumatic pencils lately, separately from their pen counterparts, and I'm beginning to wonder how to ID them. I know there are many different variations of Vacumatic pens, and while I'm sure there aren't quite as many variations of pencils, there still are quite a few. It's quite easy to get them confused with each other, but certain clues such as trim and date codes can help. So I present to you below the Vacumatic pencils I have in my collection. Some I know the model (maybe not the generation) and others I am utterly confused. I put a list below the picture. The ones in bold are the ones that I need help with.


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From top to bottom (pencils are arranged from shortest to longest)

1. Silver Pearl Debutante Second Generation 4-5/8" Date Code .0.

2. Silver Shadow Wave Vac Junior Second Generation 4-5/8" Date Code 1

3. Golden Pearl, striped end jewel Second Generation? 5" Date Code 37
This pencil came with a 2nd Gen Senior Maxima pen, they both have the same personalization, but the cap band is not wide like I would expect it to be. The pencil itself is a bit bigger in diameter, though, than the other pencils, just as I'd expect. Notice how it has a short nose cone, similar to the Junior presented above it.

4. Silver Pearl, Jeweler's cap band ?Gen? 5" Date Code 0
The same length as the previous pencil which has me confused, but a smaller diameter, this one has a jeweler's cap band and the Parker imprint on the clip. I am at a total loss on this one.

5. Emerald Pearl Major Third Generation 5.1" Date Code .6.

6. Azure Pearl Major Third Generation 5.1" Date Code .5.

7. Golden Pearl, striped end jewel ?Gen? 5-1/4" Date Code .0.
Is this a second generation major? Do we expect striped end jewels on 1940 pens/pencils?


Hopefully this post can serve as the start of a general ID guide, and others can build on it.




Hi B-

First to address your questions and to make couple observations.

Pen 3 (brown) is an early Major pencil. As has been noted, in 1939 Parker went through a couple phases of pencil evolution for Vac, moving to the narrower Writefine 0.9mm lead. I won't for now do a full breakdown of the pencils, as even the early pencils went through some key style evolution, but basically, Vac pencils prior to the briefly made injector pencils (which I've considered brief early 1939 product only, though I might modify that stance a bit) tend to be chunkier on the whole than later pens. Think of your Major pencil as an earlier three-band Standard pencil, but with the Major cap-band. I have seen occasional seemingly matched pairs (personalizations) in which a Max pencil and Major pencil are pairs. Who knows? Maybe the store had no Max pencils in stock that day. Maybe in the Great Depression, buyer was willing to save a buck by buying the cheaper pencil, if his main concern was to have a pen, not a set. Here is a Max-pen, Major-pencil "set" on my website, with matching engravings. Superb shape btw :)

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Pen 4 Jeweler's Band Silver has the narrower of the two Jeweler's Bands, that seen on "Super-Junior" (more later), Debutante, and both size Shadow-Wave. The pen is thinner because it is post early-1939 Writefine, part of the narrower pencil spread such as your later Major pencils. Jeweler's Band collecting offers its own challenges, but upshot is that your pencil likely derives from a Junior rather than Major pencil (and the matching pen too, even though in Jeweler-band form it does carry a blue diamond, unlike the two-band Junior from which it derives). Also, I've seen some quirks on the lengths of Jeweler's Band pens. It is not impossible that in 1939-41 the Junior pencils were smudge shorter than Major pencils. I would have to pull a few to double check.

Pen 7. Yes, we do expect striped jewels on 1940 high-line Vac pencils (Major, Maxima, Debutante)

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 03:21 PM

One of the scarcest of the catalogued Vacumatic pencils

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 04:08 PM

Thanks for the info on my pencils, David! Is pencil 7, then, a Major size? It seems rather long, even compared to the other Major-sized pencils in the lot. Is this the length they went to after the injector pencils and before 3rd Generation rolled out?

Also, on the blue pencil you presented above... A match for a 2nd Gen BD Senior Max?

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 04:15 PM

Recognizing ambiguities in hyperbolic jargon, this might well be a "grail" pencil for Vac collectors

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 06:43 PM

I continue to scrape the surface of my Vacumatic pencil pile.

This bunch has a lot to offer regarding the available range of a subset of Vac pencils, those with the so-called Jeweler's style cap-band. Note the two cap-band sizes, the couple different pencil mechanism. Plastic. Etc.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 08:23 PM

David,

Whew! the eye candy/pencil porn is titilating, but just raises my blood pressure and makes me drool on my keyboard. :blink: Please don't forget to discuss how to distinguish various Vac pencils, even if it's just a boring ol' list or set of photos arranged by generation and model.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 10:07 PM

David,

Whew! the eye candy/pencil porn is titilating, but just raises my blood pressure and makes me drool on my keyboard. :blink: Please don't forget to discuss how to distinguish various Vac pencils, even if it's just a boring ol' list or set of photos arranged by generation and model.

I definitely agree with Matt! On top of wishing to know the basic models, we need to know what makes these pencils you are showing special.




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