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#1 matt

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 04:49 AM

I recently found a Sheaffer Lady Skripsert with a firmly stuck barrel.  The connector unscrewed from the section and wouldn't unscrew from the barrel until I had soaked it overnight.  Barrel threads were stuck with dried ink from a leaking cartridge, so, yes, I should soaked before twisting!

 

What should I use on the section threads, thread sealant (what I have is rather soft, for 51 hoods) or shellac?  The connector unscrews rather easily.

 

 


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Posted 24 March 2015 - 10:59 PM

Ron Zorn says to use thread sealant, not shellac.

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 11:22 PM

Ron Zorn says to use thread sealant, not shellac.

 

And for what it's worth, if you're opening a pen, his sealant, and the factory sealant both, dissolve quickly in Koh-i-noor Rapido Eze. If you can turn the section even a little, let it soak or give it a cycle in an ultrasonic bath and Bob's yer uncle.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 09:42 AM

If you already have some shellac then that will be fine, what is the point of buying extra sealant for one pen.



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 04:06 AM

 

Ron Zorn says to use thread sealant, not shellac.

 

And for what it's worth, if you're opening a pen, his sealant, and the factory sealant both, dissolve quickly in Koh-i-noor Rapido Eze. If you can turn the section even a little, let it soak or give it a cycle in an ultrasonic bath and Bob's yer uncle.

 

 

I have to agree about Rapido Eze!  Have a Sheaffer vac-fil that came with the feed and fins completely clogged with red draftling/calligraphy ink.  After numerous cycles through the UC, the nib unit unscrewed easily.



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Posted 06 May 2015 - 12:43 AM

If you already have some shellac then that will be fine, what is the point of buying extra sealant for one pen.

 

As Grandma use to say, anything worth doing is worth doing right.  If you cut corners, then the next thing you will hear is, "I don't have shellac or thread sealant, can I use tile chalk?  Also all joking around aside, think about 20 years from now when the pen needs serviced by someone else and what has to be done to keep the pen in good working order.  I have seen some really screwed up repairs jobs, and I have seen some pens ruined because of it.


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Posted 11 May 2015 - 02:54 PM

 

If you already have some shellac then that will be fine, what is the point of buying extra sealant for one pen.

 

As Grandma use to say, anything worth doing is worth doing right.  If you cut corners, then the next thing you will hear is, "I don't have shellac or thread sealant, can I use tile chalk?  Also all joking around aside, think about 20 years from now when the pen needs serviced by someone else and what has to be done to keep the pen in good working order.  I have seen some really screwed up repairs jobs, and I have seen some pens ruined because of it.

 

I dont think tile chalk would work ? Shellac will be fine, and if in 20 yrs the pen needs to be serviced then as long as the person knows what he is doing there will be no problems. As with the other forum the only reason we should not use it is because "suchabody" has the correct "factory recommended" sealant for sale and the rest will all agree with him. Ka-Ching $$$$$$.



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Posted 11 May 2015 - 04:50 PM

Note that the only reason we should not use it has nothing to do with "suchabody" and ravings of "kaching" for $5-10 original-recipe sealant. To claim that is a Straw Man.

 

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 06:10 PM

As with the other forum the only reason we should not use it is because "suchabody" has the correct "factory recommended" sealant for sale and the rest will all agree with him. Ka-Ching $$$$$$.

 

Actually, it has more to do with having respect for a professional. I look to a professional for advice in matters where I know they have more expertise than I do, and after spending time assessing their communications, I can certainly ascertain for myself whether they are offering honest advice, service, and/or products for my benefit, or if they are simply charlatans pretending to know what they are doing.

 

One thing professionals *don't* do, in my opinion, is impugn the reputation of others. Something you might want to consider.


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Posted 11 May 2015 - 07:03 PM

I've bought a small jar of the rosin based sealant sold by a famous member of the community. It went for a few dollars, works beautifully and the jar it's still half full after several restorations, numbering probably around a hundred.

I'd say it's worth the piece of mind of knowing that a little heat it's all it would take to open pens sealed with it.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:29 PM

Note that the only reason we should not use it has nothing to do with "suchabody" and ravings of "kaching" for $5-10 original-recipe sealant. To claim that is a Straw Man.

 

-d

Hi David

Im not claiming as it is blatantly obvious. Im just trying to make a point that the person who has found there grandpa or grandmas pen and would like to get the pen in working order do not need to spend £££ or $$$ on professional tools and supplies. I receive lots of emails from such people who are delighted that they are now writing with a pen that has been in the family for many years. 

I am always happy that i can be of help to them.

Unfortunately we all cant be the professionals.

Cheers

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:33 PM

 

As with the other forum the only reason we should not use it is because "suchabody" has the correct "factory recommended" sealant for sale and the rest will all agree with him. Ka-Ching $$$$$$.

 

Actually, it has more to do with having respect for a professional. I look to a professional for advice in matters where I know they have more expertise than I do, and after spending time assessing their communications, I can certainly ascertain for myself whether they are offering honest advice, service, and/or products for my benefit, or if they are simply charlatans pretending to know what they are doing.

 

One thing professionals *don't* do, in my opinion, is impugn the reputation of others. Something you might want to consider.

 

Mmmm! I have a sense of Deja Vue !

 

Thank you for you comments, however i am respectively not commenting.

 

Thanks

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:38 PM

I've bought a small jar of the rosin based sealant sold by a famous member of the community. It went for a few dollars, works beautifully and the jar it's still half full after several restorations, numbering probably around a hundred.

I'd say it's worth the piece of mind of knowing that a little heat it's all it would take to open pens sealed with it.

Just my 2 cents

Thank you for your comments. If you are a restorer then fine, in a hundred pens time you will order more. For the person who has been left his granddads pen then his wife's nail varnish would be more than adequate.  



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Posted 11 May 2015 - 11:41 PM

Thank you for your comments. If you are a restorer then fine, in a hundred pens time you will order more. For the person who has been left his granddads pen then his wife's nail varnish would be more than adequate.  

 

You know what is absurd and infuriating about such a statement? What happens when problems occur for the great-granchildren, or their kids? No, because someone gave idiotic advice to do a repair that is irreversible or has a high degree of risk for damaging the pen, the precious heirloom is now lost for use. All because some cheapskate wouldn't pop for a couple of bucks, such a pittance when compared to a valuable family memento.

 

Classic case of penny-wise, pound-foolish. I bought a jar of the sealant from Ron Zorn (because, look, let's all be grown-ups about this - that is who you are referring to). He has a well-established reputation, cares for the life and provenance of pens, and offers items like this to the rest of the pen world for very, very little money. I used the material probably three times so far, and I'll never, ever use it all. Nonetheless, the pens I HAVE used it on will never suffer the fate of a pen that has been hacked by an amateur with nail polish.

 

Please. If you don't have advice that doesn't harm the pen, don't give advice. 



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Posted 11 May 2015 - 11:44 PM

 

I've bought a small jar of the rosin based sealant sold by a famous member of the community. It went for a few dollars, works beautifully and the jar it's still half full after several restorations, numbering probably around a hundred.

I'd say it's worth the piece of mind of knowing that a little heat it's all it would take to open pens sealed with it.

Just my 2 cents

Thank you for your comments. If you are a restorer then fine, in a hundred pens time you will order more. For the person who has been left his granddads pen then his wife's nail varnish would be more than adequate.  

 

 

 

Anyone who is involved enough to read these comments will be able to know  a pen restorer. Anyone who doesn't read these comments will not know about any proposed fix.  Go figure. Meanwhile, anyone here can learn the proper method.


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Posted 12 May 2015 - 12:03 AM

 

Note that the only reason we should not use it has nothing to do with "suchabody" and ravings of "kaching" for $5-10 original-recipe sealant. To claim that is a Straw Man.

 

-d

Hi David

Im not claiming as it is blatantly obvious. Im just trying to make a point that the person who has found there grandpa or grandmas pen and would like to get the pen in working order do not need to spend £££ or $$$ on professional tools and supplies. I receive lots of emails from such people who are delighted that they are now writing with a pen that has been in the family for many years. 

I am always happy that i can be of help to them.

Unfortunately we all cant be the professionals.

Cheers

Stef

 

 

Note that when one has nothing of substance to offer in discussion, claiming "blatantly obvious" is a typical means to attempt misdirection.

 

regards

 

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 06:10 AM

Thanks guys for your comments. Although it is rather amusing how easy it is to get a reaction. So before the pack descends i will nip it in the bud.

Lets keep pens fun ! Write ?

 

Regards

 

Stef. 



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Posted 12 May 2015 - 09:33 AM

Tactic seven from the Losing Debater's Manual: when you have nothing of substance to offer, claim "amusement."
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Posted 12 May 2015 - 10:15 AM

Tactic 12 from the Losing Debater's Manual: "When you have been destroyed on issues of substance, attempt to distract by bleating, 'I was only trying to get a reaction'".

 

Always nice to see an exemplar.

 

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 11:04 AM

Hi David

 

Thank you for your words of wisdom. 

" One must be serious about something, if one wants to have any amusement in life"

 

Regards

 

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