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#1 piscov

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:27 AM

This pen is mentioned in pag. 49 and 50 of "Pelikan Schreibgerate" from Mr. Dittmer and Mr. Lehmann.

The order document bellow is also mentioned there but its not showed, so here it is the order for 1600 Pelikan 100N Magnum with the EMEGE imprint.
This order was placed by the company "Monteiro Guimarães, Filho, Lda" in 1935 and was delivered by Pelikan in 1936.

This pen is prior to the 100N and as can be seen on the document order it was not, at that moment, designated as Pelikan 100N Magnum. This is a name that was given later ( I dont have information on when)

Pelikan 100N was released according to "Pelikan Scheibgerate" in March 1937 for export and in March 1938 in Germany. The Magnum showed here is therefore prior to the 100N

No pens were ever produced in Portugal, as some say. Monteiro Guimarães would mark the pens (100, 100N and first 100N Magnum model) with "Emegue" in cursive in the cap or sleeve. But they did not marked the first 100N Magnum model with the EMEGUE in the top cap in block- sehrift letters.
Those markings were made in Germany as per bellow document proof. That was probably because it was very hard to make the imprint around the top cap because the need of even spacing between letters.

In Portuguese MG, the initials of Monteiro Guimarães are phonetically:
M---->EME
G----->GE

Therefore the EMEGE imprint.

There is a theory that says that Monteiro Guimarães engraved the pens so that they could know the pen had been sold by them and therefore give full warranty only to those. This is very odd to me has they were the only importer and official Representative for Portugal, Spain, Brasil, and Portuguese African countries ( then Angola, Moçambique, Guiné Bissau, Cape Verde and São tomé e Principe) So all the pens found in Portugal would have been imported by them. Monteiro Guimarães had then re-sellers all across the country and in those foreign markets they owned.
This is why I don't see the need to mark the pens only because of warranty issues. It sound to me more that they wanted they brand name also on the pens for commercial reasons... but this is just me guessing...

The home and foreign markets in wich Monteiro Guimarães was the legal representative of Pelikan were in fact big, this is why they could place such a big order for one of the most expensive pens back then ( 1600 Magnum pens as its proved by this document, in one time)
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:19 PM

Those are very interesting informartions. Thank's for sharing them.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:21 PM

Those are very interesting informartions. Thank's for sharing them.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:28 PM

Thank you for sharing this.
I found the order document/invoice? particularly interesting. Oblique and Broad nibs were the rarer nibs back then.
Also I could not figure out the price - is it redacted (black marks)?
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:30 PM

Such beautiful Pelikans, all unique barrels. Are they all 100N Magnums?

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:03 PM

Piscov, thanks for the excellent information. Question though, is the girth of the Magnum wider than the normal 100N? Is it much difference?

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:15 AM

Thank you for sharing this.
I found the order document/invoice? particularly interesting. Oblique and Broad nibs were the rarer nibs back then.
Also I could not figure out the price - is it redacted (black marks)?

Thank you!

Yes the prices are redacted. When I got this document it was already like that...

Edited by piscov, 09 May 2013 - 05:47 PM.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:38 AM

Piscov, thanks for the excellent information. Question though, is the girth of the Magnum wider than the normal 100N? Is it much difference?


The Magnum ( Red cap and tortoise sleeve), is longer and of bigger girth.

Size comparison using one of my magnums and the Pelikan 100N grey sleeve you see on the picture:


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Edited by piscov, 09 May 2013 - 09:45 AM.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:16 PM

Hi piscov,

Thanks for the size chart, very useful information! Seeing the size difference is minute, I am curious as to why didn't they make the Magnum more distinguishable [super-size]?

I can only distinguish that's it's a Magnum is by looking at the rear knob housing, which is more thick than the regular 100Ns; unless you put them together like you did in the picture. B)

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:01 PM

VascoYour Magnum is a great pen, but absolutely amazing is the information that it was made BEFORE the 100N has been introduced!! Seems that some of the main sources of Pelikan history needs to be revised. Thanks for this!Christof

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:53 PM

VascoYour Magnum is a great pen, but absolutely amazing is the information that it was made BEFORE the 100N has been introduced!! Seems that some of the main sources of Pelikan history needs to be revised. Thanks for this!Christof


You are welcome!!

I was convinced that the fact was already known. I was under the impression that the authors of the pelikan book had been given this documents by a portuguese collector.

Maybe this Magnum was a try out to the 100N. I´ve always seen the Magnum called 100N, but judging by the document that is not correct. This pen was not called 100N when it was ordered in December 1935. I am not sure if in any posterior official Pelikan documents it is called Pelikan 100N Magnum. I will try to research some price lists from those days...

Edited by piscov, 09 May 2013 - 05:59 PM.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:02 PM

This pen is mentioned in pag. 49 and 50 of "Pelikan Schreibgerate" from Mr. Dittmer and Mr. Lehmann.

The order document bellow is also mentioned there but its not showed, so here it is the order for 1600 Pelikan 100N Magnum with the EMEGE imprint.
This order was placed by the company "Monteiro Guimarães, Filho, Lda" in 1935 and was delivered by Pelikan in 1936.

This pen is prior to the 100N and as can be seen on the document order it was not, at that moment, designated as Pelikan 100N Magnum. This is a name that was given later ( I dont have information on when)

Pelikan 100N was released according to "Pelikan Scheibgerate" in March 1937 for export and in March 1938 in Germany. The Magnum showed here is therefore prior to the 100N


Piscov, thank you very much for sharing this valuable document! I read your explanation of the document with great interest. Since I am not familiar with the 100N Magnum nor with its Portuguese history, I am confused though on two things:

- I do not understand the relation between your 100N Magnum and the pens that are mentioned in the document. Unless of course you have evidence that your 100N Magnum is one of the 1600 pens in the order?

- what is the exact argument that the order is for 100N Magnums and for instance not for 100 flat tops? I guess that the order date of December 1935 also matches for a Pelikan 100 order? Or is the brown Pelikan 100 (the flat top) never found with the EMEGE imprint?

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:22 PM


This pen is mentioned in pag. 49 and 50 of "Pelikan Schreibgerate" from Mr. Dittmer and Mr. Lehmann.

The order document bellow is also mentioned there but its not showed, so here it is the order for 1600 Pelikan 100N Magnum with the EMEGE imprint.
This order was placed by the company "Monteiro Guimarães, Filho, Lda" in 1935 and was delivered by Pelikan in 1936.

This pen is prior to the 100N and as can be seen on the document order it was not, at that moment, designated as Pelikan 100N Magnum. This is a name that was given later ( I dont have information on when)

Pelikan 100N was released according to "Pelikan Scheibgerate" in March 1937 for export and in March 1938 in Germany. The Magnum showed here is therefore prior to the 100N


Piscov, thank you very much for sharing this valuable document! I read your explanation of the document with great interest. Since I am not familiar with the 100N Magnum nor with its Portuguese history, I am confused though on two things:

- I do not understand the relation between your 100N Magnum and the pens that are mentioned in the document. Unless of course you have evidence that your 100N Magnum is one of the 1600 pens in the order?

- what is the exact argument that the order is for 100N Magnums and for instance not for 100 flat tops? I guess that the order date of December 1935 also matches for a Pelikan 100 order? Or is the brown Pelikan 100 (the flat top) never found with the EMEGE imprint?


Hi Jos,

Thank you for your comments!

Here are my comments to your questions:

  • I am not trying to make any conection betwen my pens and one of those 1600.... I believe they could be from that batch, but I have no proof of that ( they dont have serial numbers and I dont know if more orders were placed from Monteiro Guimarães to Pelikan asking that model pen with that specific imprint....
  • The only Pelikan pen that had the EMEGE imprint around the cap top in capital letters, as ordered in this document order, was the Magnun. There are no other Pelikan models with that specific imprint. All other models that have Emege imprints have a diferent letter type and imprint location( paralel to the axis of the cap or binde). The order in german specificaly asks for that imprint , capital letters in that place, top cap, this is how the conection is made....
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Edited by piscov, 12 May 2013 - 09:37 PM.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:45 PM

The only Pelikan pen that had the EMEGE imprint around the cap top in capital letters, as ordered in that document order, was the Magnun. There are no other Pelikan models with that specific imprint. All other models that have Emege imprints have a diferent letter type and and imprint location( paralel to the axis of the cap or binde). The order in german specificaly asks for that imprint in that place, this is how the conection is made....Best regards
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Thanks for pointing that out, it was that part that I did not understand and the connection is then clear indeed.

Is it possible to show a picture of that capital letter imprint on the cap top? Dittmer & Lehmann's book shows a blue 100 with the EMEGE imprint on the binde but I have no idea how the cap top imprint looks like.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:13 PM

Is it possible to show a picture of that capital letter imprint on the cap top? Dittmer & Lehmann's book shows a blue 100 with the EMEGE imprint on the binde but I have no idea how the cap top imprint looks like.

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Here are some pictures:
In the first one you can see a late version of a Pelikan 100N near the Magnum for size comparison.

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Edited by piscov, 13 May 2013 - 02:06 PM.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:30 PM

Here are some pictures:
In the first one you can see a late version of a Pelikan 100N near the Magnum for size comparison.

Many thanks for the pictures!

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 10:02 PM

Pisco, thanks for this valuable information. This is an important thread. I would urge David to pin it.
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Posted 19 May 2013 - 10:51 AM

Pisco, thanks for this valuable information. This is an important thread. I would urge David to pin it.


Thanks Rick!! It would be an honor....



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Posted 20 May 2013 - 09:14 PM


Those are very interesting informartions. Thank's for sharing them.

Simone


You are welcome. Tomorrow I may have have news for you as to adds and catalogues are concerned!!




You're making me do a lot of work! Thanks to your findings I have to rewrite a lot of pages in my wiki...

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 10:58 AM



Those are very interesting informartions. Thank's for sharing them.

Simone


You are welcome. Tomorrow I may have have news for you as to adds and catalogues are concerned!!




You're making me do a lot of work! Thanks to your findings I have to rewrite a lot of pages in my wiki...

Simone


LOL...

One note, I have this document for some years now. It was given to me to copy by a repair man and collector in Lisbon. I did not knew that this information was not of public knowledge.

But I guess that this is the way most history is rewritten.. with sources that are known just by some and that at some point are made available to all...

Historical Information should be shared by all and for all and not kept as secrets... Your work in the wiki is fantasticl!!!

Edited by piscov, 21 May 2013 - 11:08 AM.

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