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#21 Jos

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 11:12 AM

One note, I have this document for some years now. It was given to me to copy by a repair man and collector in Lisbon. I did not knew that this information was not of public knowledge.
But I guess that this is the way most history is rewritten.. with sources that are known just by some and that at some point are made available to all...
Historical Information should be shared by all and for all and not kept as secrets...

That is incredible and really great that you can share the document here, thanks again.

It might be interesting to discuss here how the document changes current knowledge.

With the document in mind, can one suggest that the 100N Magnum was a transition model between the 100 and 100N? Is there anything known about the production period of the 100N Magnum?

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:12 AM

Hi Vasco,

interesting document,
nice pictures,
but I have a question - there also exist EMEGE Pelikan pens model 100, am I right?

If yes, why can´t this order form from 1935 be just an order for model 100 Emege?

I do not see any hint in the form indicating the Magnum size.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 08:14 AM

Hi Vasco,

interesting document,
nice pictures,
but I have a question - there also exist EMEGE Pelikan pens model 100, am I right?

If yes, why can´t this order form from 1935 be just an order for model 100 Emege?

I do not see any hint in the form indicating the Magnum size.

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Hi Tom,



Nice tohear from you and to have you here. Hope all is well with you!



Have youseen any Pelikan 100 in braun ( hasrefered it in the document) that has the EMEGE engraved in Capital letters inthe top cap?

I have notso far, not even in pictures, but I don´t see why that would not be possible... but the fact is that I have not.

I have onlyseen with Emegue engraved in Cursive in the binde/sleeve, not EMEGE in capitalletter (Block-sehrift referred in the document)

If you havea picture or if you can get one that would be very interesting to the thread.That is indeed the only connection that can be made with this document and theMagnums.

Anotherreason I believe this document is related with the Magnuns is the fact that ifthis document was referring to the 100 that would make them less scarce thanthey actually are. I have 5 Magnums at the moment and I have sold 3 over theyears, also I have seen a lot more of Magnuns here in Portugal and even forsale online, and I have never seen a Tartoise 100 with Braun and with the EMEGEimprint in capital letters not in person, in picture or for sale.

In factthis order is for 1600 pens, I believe I would have found/ seen one of themover the years as I have with the Magnums.

But againyou could be correct, but I think it´s much more likely that this documentrefers to the Magnums, do you agree?



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Sorry for the first reply in this thread I don´t know what happend and a lot of text was included, Should have been copy/paste problem.


Tom raises a valid point, though I believe this is indeed related with Magnum,it is not absolute evidence that it is. Further investigation needs to be done.

Edited by piscov, 16 September 2013 - 08:57 AM.

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 12:06 AM

After some more investigation  and careful thinking about this subject am absolutely convinced that the order form presented here is indeed about Pelikan Magnum pens and not any Pelikan 100 or 100N, and that means that the Magnum precedes the 100N, Why?

 

 

 

1)    The form is about Brown pens;

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2)    The forms clearly states that the EMEGE imprint is in Block-Sehrift (Capital letters);

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3)    The only pen that holds this EMEGE imprint ever photographed is the Magnum. Not just these one off course  ;) 

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4)     No other pen marked EMEGE in capital letters around the top cap was ever found and showed as far as I am aware.

 

5)    There are other Emege engraved pens (100, 100N 101N and even later Magnums), but all have the Emege in cursive letters engraved not the Capital EMEGE imprints. Those pens can be found engraved either on the sleeve or in the cap but never in the top cap nor with Capital Letters.

 

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6)    It is hard for me  to believe that if 1600 of any Pelikan 100 pens (just in this order form) would have been produce bearing the  EMEGE in capital letters in the top cap none, until today, would have surfaced to be photographed and available online to be viewed.

 

7)     Even if one or two pens comes up now it is hard for me to believe that that would be enough prove to refute that this order form is not for Magnums and that only one or two of those pens ever survived against the much more larger number of EMEGE Magnums already known  and photographed out there. I would be more inclined to believe it is a later production pen "engraved" without  Pelikan's autorization than anything else.

 

Other interesting assumptions that I do about this form is that:

 

1)    Pelikan agreed to imprint (and actually imprinted) the Portuguese distributor name in these pens. (there are even original boxes also engraved)

2)    These pens were not produced locally, they could even arrive in parts and assembled ( I have no evidence of that but must admit it could be possible due to lower taxation) here but production was never local.

 

Some question I would like to have more information:

 

1)    Are any evidence of such “partnership” with any other local distributor elsewhere in the world, that was allow to have his name engrave in the Pelikan pens?

2)    Why was this allowed with “Monteiro Guimarães e Filhos Lda”?

 

Other clarifications.

 

1)    Later production Pelikan Magnum have different engravings similar to other Pelikan 100 and 100N, with Emegue in cursive letter being found on the cap parallel to the longest axis of the pen. This pens no longer have the EMEGE in Capital letters on the top cap.

 

 

 

2)    Other pens like the 100, 100N, 101N, 101N short cap top were also engraved with Emege in cursive letters on the cap ( but never around the top cap) or on the sleeve. These engravings are most probably done locally. I have heard ( not first hand testemony) that  former employers of EMEGE confirmed that those were done by them in the company shop.

 

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3) Not only pens were engraved, Original boxes with Emege can be found.

 

4) Also on the technical aspect the Magnum is clearly more similar to the 100 than to the 100N. Could this mean that it was a pilot product release in Portugal a small market to test it??

 

I have tried to make this post as clear as I can. Hope it is found helpful. I am not an historian and sources and documents of that time are very rare due to WWII and time passed . I suppose that  all historic investigation (I have no experience on that, nor I claim to have) that is analysed after such  long time without more sources and clear evidences ( more documents, catalogs, pictures from that time)  have to have some assumptions and theories  used but I believe I have been as accurate as I know in this analyses and  so I believe that the Magnum pen precedes Pelikan 100N.


Edited by piscov, 18 March 2014 - 12:12 AM.

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 12:16 AM

I made some pictures of my Magnum pens and while doing that I made a small technical comparison between the Pelikan 100, the Magnum and the Pelikan 100N that I post here.

 

Pelikan Magnum  as the predecessor of the Pelikan 100N

 

Apart from the arguments concerning the Portuguese order of 1600 Magnum pens with EMEGE (capital letters) engraved around the TOP CAP already shared earlier in this thread, there are more arguments that make me believe the Magnum was the predecessor of the 100N.

 

Pelikan Magnum is aesthetically closer to the Pelikan 100N but I believe that the Pelikan Magnum shares more technical similarities with the Pelikan 100 than with the 100N. This makes me think it was produced alongside with the Pelikan 100 and before the 100N.

I list my arguments below with some pictures to illustrate:

  1. Nib

The Magnum nib is very similar to the earlier Pelikan 100. The etching pattern with horizontal parallel lines of the engraved “Pelikan  -14- Karat” is the same as the one found on the early Pelikan 100 produced from 1930 to 1937. As to size Magnum is just a fraction longer and wider. The major difference is that it has engraved one triangle in the base of the text. Remember that Pelikan Magnum, according to the Portuguese order document, started production at least in the end of 1935 or early 1936.

Note the following pictures for reference:

 

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Picture 1 and 2 - Pelikan Magnum Vs Pelikan 100

 

Early and late Pelikan 100N nibs that I know of never used this horizontal parallel pattern.

  1. Threads in the internal shaft

Again the Pelikan Magnum and Pelikan 100 share the same technical specification and use the same thread per inch, as can  easily be seen in the picture hereunder.  Pelikan 100N (on the left) uses a totally different thread.

 

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                               Picture 3 - Piston shaft threads and blind cap arrows

 

 

  1. Arrow imprint indicating rotating side

The arrows are not easy to see in the above picture because both Pelikan 100 and especially Pelikan Magnum blind caps are not perfect, but they are there. Pelikan 100N never used the arrow imprint that I know of.

 

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Picture 4 - Magnum Blind cap arrow zoom

 

  1. Connective  barrel/rotating  knob collar

Again this part of the Magnum shows more resemblance to the Pelikan 100 than to the Pelikan 100N pen. The collar is larger when compared to the shorter collar used on the Pelikan 100N.

 

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Picture 5 - connecting collar, piston shaft and cork holder

  1. External piston shaft

The piston shaft is similar on the Pelikan 100 and Magnum, as can be seen in the picture above. Pelikan 100 and Pelikan Magnum are the first 2 on the left.

  1. Cork locking mechanism

Still in the same picture, the piece used to hold the cork in place is also similar on both Pelikan 100 and 100N. This piece that you can see in the top of the shaft holding the cork, is locked in place only by a tight “pressure fit”, it does not have a left thread like the Pelikan 100N (on the right).

 

 

 

There are other technical similarities that are shared by all 3 pens, like the metallic ring used to reinforce the celluloid barrel in all early Pelikan 100, Magnum and Pelikan 100N.

 

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Picture 4 - Metal ring underneed the sleeve

 

Was Pelikan Magnum only sold in Portugal? I have no knowledge of Pelikans Magnum being found outside Portugal, Brasil or the former Portuguese African colonies (all countries where Monteiro & Guimarães was the Pelikan representative/importer) but….

 

How was the Portuguese importer able to have a unique model produced and engraved with his name by Pelikan itself?

This is a mystery I would love to know more about!

 

Has Pelikan used the Magnum as a prototype for the Pelikan 100N? I believe so…. and also feel that the Magnum is a Pelikan pen model by itself and not a Pelikan 100N variant.


Edited by piscov, 03 February 2015 - 12:28 AM.

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 12:21 PM

Vasco
Thanks for the comparison and informative pictures. Your observations seems to be quite likely.
Great job in pen research!
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Posted 03 February 2015 - 01:01 PM

Thank you Christof!


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Posted 20 April 2015 - 03:27 PM

What a great research work! Thank you, Vasco, for sharing this interesting information.
 
I do also have a similar pen, Pelikan 100N EMEGE, and can confirm some of the characteristics you mentioned: piston shaft, cork locking mechanism. I repaired my pen some years ago (replacement of the cork) and since then is running (writing) without problems.
 
The pen belonged to a relative and unfortunately I do not have any further info about his history.

 

 

 

 

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Posted 25 April 2015 - 08:30 PM

Thank a lot Fernando! I'm assuming you are named Fernando and Portuguese :)

 

I´ve had a lot of fun doing this small research and comparison using my pens and spare parts!

 

Your pens looks to be in Fabulous shape!! Keep using it!!

 

By the way, welcome tp FPG! this forum is really great for vintage pens.

 

Best regards

 

Vasco


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